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Posted: September 9, 2009 03:53 am  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132    | I saw a similar topic made in DF forums by homedawg so I thought I should make one here as well to see people's thoughts, most of you know the discussion about abortion (it being legal or illegal) is one of the most heated discussion nowadays. Personally I don't think it should be allowed unless it endangers the mother's life because I (personally) don't think she or the father should be allowed to take away their child's life for selfish reasons (In my own thoughts that is) Whats your opinion? Keep it civil please (: Oh and one more thing, can we keep the whole religion vs atheism debate away from this topic? It tends to get involved in these sort of stuff so yah just post your own thoughts and argue in a civiled manner without insulting someones religion or atheists as a whole. Post awayyyyyyyy --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 04:07 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kurt Cobain Group: Guest Posts: 329 Member No.: 1619 Joined: January 7, 2009 Total Events Attended: 2 | Ooo, this should be an active topic... Could turn into one of those heated flamefests that will be fun to read once it hits 5 pages, oh wait... This isn't RSC... In all seriousness, I'm kind of in the middle on Abortion. I can see why people don't want it to happen and would want the mother to not kill the fetus inside of her, but on the other hand, who are we to judge someone who feels that they aren't ready for that responsibility, and we shouldn't, as a society, have protests that degrade into violence. I don't think that we have a right to say that she shouldn't do it, but if I was friends with the person, then I would try to at least talk to her (if she's willing to talk) and see if I could get her away from going through with it and if she feels her relationship isn't ready for a child, then I'd ask her to put the child up for adoption. If I couldn't convince her to do that, then I'd be the good friend and try to help her through what was coming up. --------------------  Thanks Sam for an awesome job and an awesome wait! 
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Posted: September 9, 2009 04:19 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Pro-choice. I'm tired of these topics though. I could write a whole long reply here, but I just don't feel like it anymore. I've seen like 30 of these topics come and go on WG's forums. They always end in someone's feelings getting hurt. Usually by me. So I might delve into this topic in good time. Especially if someone starts spouting some bullshit. Just keep that in mind.  --------------------  Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 04:50 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | Abortion should be illegal IMO. Thats my opinion, not gonna argue anymore......wg discussions always end up in baits and never lead anywhere, even if they are kinda fun, but I'm over it. --------------------  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 05:21 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Pro-choice. --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 05:47 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Owennnn Group: Emeritus Posts: 1447 Member No.: 37 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 55 | Oh lawd, I can see where this is going. Pro Choice. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 05:47 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
^ That --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 10:35 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Preemptively - knowledgeably - not allowing someone to live is the same thing as killing them after the fact. I'm pro-life. --------------------  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 03:00 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | I don't understand how you can "kill" something that hasn't even been born yet. Maybe it has a heartbeat but it doesn't have conciousness, and I wouldn't really have regrets if abortion is painless (I don't know on that) But not all women are ready for childbirth and parenting, and not all contraception is 100% guaranteed. I think it should be legalised, and my thoughts are the same for euthanasia. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 03:05 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 |
that -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 03:12 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Owennnn Group: Emeritus Posts: 1447 Member No.: 37 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 55 |
I honestly thought you'd be pro choice Wayne. Weird. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 03:40 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | I'm pro-choice I'm sorry but i feel if they can't being the child up well there's no point the child being in the world. Also Rape victims and Inbred victims should be able to get rid of it. People doing it because they wont be able to "cope" should just wear a condom of not have sex, tis final. And if they use the excuse "My man doesn't like it" then tell your man to fuck off or wear one. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: September 9, 2009 04:17 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | More replies :# -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 05:38 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gibble00 Group: Emeritus Posts: 775 Member No.: 100 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 9 |
This. I'm pretty hardcore pro-choice. We should be able to abort babies up to the age of 3. Okay, maybe inappropriate, but to be honest, I even understand the arguments for having abortions in the last trimester (anyone who follows news in the US might remember all that controversy and the murder of Dr. Tiller this summer). --------------------  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 06:30 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: ka pineapple Group: Ex-Member Posts: 343 Member No.: 1277 Joined: August 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 44 | I think that its the woman's choice. Nobody elses. No man should ever force a woman to get rid of it. No country should deny the option completely. --------------------  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 07:18 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
What the fuck is wrong with your head you immoral fool. What then stops us from killing a 20 year old guy that got hit by a car and is paralyzed and cant move but wants to live..... Your a fool. That is all. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 07:49 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
No need to flame. I think both sides of the Abortion debate have good points, but I usually tend to lean more towards the pro life side ever so slightly. edit: said choice where I meant to say life ^___^ --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 07:49 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
3?? As in 3 years????  -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 08:00 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Women's choice Don't compound a mistake I find a more interesting question would be if you have to save the child or your wife/yourself (f you're female) who would you save? -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 08:21 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | 1. Ask yourself this question: Why is this a legal issue at all? As a woman I think that it has no place in the legal system. This is a medical issue. I am not one to want or believe this is a form of birth control. But what gives the government any say in a medical issue. (Or better yet, what gives them any say in a moral/religious issue.) Government should stay out of the privacy of the family. 2. Insurance companies should have more input on prevention. Why doesn't insurance companies offer a discount to family/females that go through some kind of classes? We do this for auto insurance. Maybe preventive/education is a better way around less misuse of this procedure. 3. Pay off the mothers to have the child. If the government wants to stop abortions, maybe they should offer 10k to the mother to put the baby up for adoption. We have many families in the USA that are getting babies from other countries. If the mother could get 10k as a one time offer to give up the child and it could help her get on her feet. It would still be less to pay then having them on welfare. It should not be like selling children to the adoptive parents. This plan would need some really good thinking. Since I am female, I have to say that I would not carelessly take the life of any child I would be carrying. Not even from rape. But if given choice to live myself or die with the child also dying, I am not going to kill us both. No man will ever have a say over my body about this . . . not a husband, not a boyfriend, not any man, not the government, not even my father. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 08:54 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | The choice of the mother, as she has to deal with the choice for the rest of her life. No one else should decide. --------------------      | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 11:38 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 |
Couldn't have said it better myself. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 9, 2009 11:43 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Slayer123121 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 319 Member No.: 1753 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 12 | Pro choice. If my Gf got pregnant i'd obviously tell her my feelings, but in the end i would want her to be happy with the choice, it's her whos going to have to carry it, take time out of work/studies etc. Anyone who votes pro Life is harsh, if u were raped, and became pregnant you may change your view but until then i guess not. Rape Incest Good life (If u can't afford to look after yourself why bring a child into the world? some people hardly afford to eat, it wouldn't be fair on the child.) ^^All good reasons, im a afraid. --------------------  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 10, 2009 12:42 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Let me try and explain my train of thought. Imagine you're at a horse race; Horse A is winning by a huge margin. He's a lap ahead of any other horse on the track and he's within 15 yards of the finish. Then you shoot him through the head with a 50-cal. sniper rifle. The horse is instantly decapitated and lands in a twisted heap of bloody horse flesh six inches from the finish line. Are you responsible for Horse A from not winning the race? After all, he never crossed the finish line, so he hadn't won yet. You just decided that, eventually, if he wins he'll have to race again. And the more he races the higher the chance that he'll be injured and his quality of life will be ruined. Or maybe he'll be sold, and there's a chance that his quality of life won't be as good with his new owner as with his old one. Within a reasonable course of events, it's entirely reasonable to assume that a child will be born healthy with no complications for himself (or herself) or the mother. If an abortion is performed you are entirely responsible for that child not being able to live. In effect, you are committing pre-murder. Rather than taking someone's life, you're not letting them have a chance at all. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: September 10, 2009 12:59 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 |  I'll just leave this here.... -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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