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Posted: May 23, 2010 07:24 pm  | |||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155    | First off when a fall in leader gets piled they should just call out another fall in leaders name for them to take over. That way we can keep the piles going. When a fall in leader calls to fall in on audio, they should say the direction they are from wherever they are. Pile low levels. I can't see how many times we piled the same 5 people through the entire war, and when you call, say the combat level and location they are heading. Seriously, pile the people who are lower level, and the people who can't tank. They had soooooo many snipers.... A anti snipe group of around 3-4 should of been picked to retaliate against them. Not to mention the time we wasted falling in, do chain piles or the people the snipers have gotten low for quick kos. TBH we lost that war because we went in there with no plan, and no idea what was going on. Just my 2 cents. No flaming intended. I had a good time. --------------------  The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011        | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 07:27 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I agree with Rob here all the way, we can learn from old school people for the help of the future. Sniping is so beneficial. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 07:28 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Did they outpull us by a lot or what? We have not had anti-snipe since Mugger and that gang left. --------------------      | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 07:30 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 |
No matter what anyone says, we could of won that even if they did pull what they did. We just need to try harder next time and educate ourselves before we just jump in knees deep. -------------------- The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 08:18 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
I agree. We could have won, but not in the state we're in. Forsaken was a really bad choice. I agree with Gene's method - we want to focus on like RSB clans and people we stand a chance again. Our first priority is more and successful wars, before we move onto bigger fish. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 08:50 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | I think that considering I haven't led in a war situation like this for.... like 6-8 months, I did pretty well.
I think I did all of the above very well. I think what did let us down was the falling in. It just WAS NOT quick enough. Chasing after piles when the pile had been called off them was also frequent. THIS MUST STOP. Binding did slowly, but surely, improve over the cause of the PKRI, so good work on that guys... but it was far too slow at some points. Unless you are being sniped, you should have your robes out and on. You can put them on when a pile is coming in, but PUT THEM BACK ON IMMEDIATELY!! We did manage to narrow the gap at the end, so well done for that guys, but we could have done far better. It is regrettable that we currently have so few raid leaders. (As many of you know, elections for this are happening as soon as the next council member is brought in). --------------------    | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 09:23 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 | Yeah, that will be definitely needed. To be honest, I never go on audio unless needed. So when I went to the war today, I didn't know anyone's voices. So that being that, I relied strictly on what the caller was saying. I always understood the name, but sometimes their would be a person with a similar name so I would then need to know the level. And that's just after the fact of trying to find the person that was being called. Throw out directions and I guarantee it will make it easier for everyone. I'm not going to lie, their was times I heard directions but their were many different people calling. -------------------- The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 09:30 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I can second that about the level and name. There were two Forsakens out there, like a dummby head I was hitting the wrong one, when someone recalled with the level it was piece o pie. You did a fantastic job Gorge, and I realize its hard to die, bank come back and get back into the swing as quickly as you guys did. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 10:21 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I wasn't there so I don't know what exactly happened, but I think most of it was rust. The fact that we have not had a decent PvP fight in a long time and we went up against a pretty tough opponent was no help either. It's tough to do well with inexperienced leaders (no offense to anyone who stepped up today, I'm sure you did a fine job and your best) so I'm sure once we get that sorted we will begin to do much better. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 10:25 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 |
That's understandable. I'm just saying though. On a personal basis, that would make it easier on me and probably others in the future. -------------------- The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: May 23, 2010 10:46 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | 1) Know what you're doing 2) Clear and Concise directions 3) Clear chain of command 4) obedience -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: May 24, 2010 12:14 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 | TBH, this is what we needed. To lose to Forsaken, and start a fun old fashion rivalry. I bet with the same amount of people we pulled list time. With everyone knowing what they are doing we would be running a warring machine. We could beat them. I would challenge them again in the month, during the meantime we can improve. -------------------- The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: May 24, 2010 02:10 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | George I am sure you did well, and no offense to you, but why the hell were you leading? If Gorge has to lead in wars, get more Raid Leaders. Is fbi the only raid leader atm? fix it. This shouldnt happen, there are more than enough people that can lead and should be leading. and yes, like rob said, for soem reason, we always pile the high levels first. take out the lower levels, i mean, we rely on numbers > strength right? so play the numbers game. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||
Posted: May 24, 2010 03:42 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Agreed with Jayson. We need more callers. We lost a few I think, like Fredje maybe. Probably a bad example. Need some DZ like individuals... --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: May 24, 2010 06:37 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Flame_Reece Group: Emeritus Posts: 626 Member No.: 133 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | Well as you know i had had disconnected earlier into the war, maybe 10-20 minutes. What i noticed has changed alot from when i warred back then to warring now... You depend too much on audio... audio is fantastic idea but when it becomes depended on ALL the time it loses its benefits. Audio lags, gets staticy, people don't hear exactly what is called etc. In game calls should be made alot more, I noticed i was calling alot in both the cc and ingame to show exactly who we were piling, just going "wg" is alright.. but it's not fantastic when everyone is in the same place, what the hell is "wg" meant to mean when there is 5 enemies ontop of eachother, if you've played runescape or been a computer nerd for a decent time, surely touch typing is a passive skill for you. People returning, where are they meant to go back to? Obviously i was not using audio, but if i was, all i could imagine was people asking where the wg pile is, which may interfere with the RL calling out important things. General updates of location in cc should be utilised, i didn't see any at the start of the war, i was starting to do it towards the end when i had to leave though. Almost 80% of the piles were 126... if they're 126... that generally means even if they are standing in 1 spot and not using any tanking skills it will STILL take a decent time to take them down due to stats and makes it harder to manage a KO. Now i wasn't really around with all the sniping and anti sniping teams so yeah, no input there from me. I understand the concept but was never around when it was utilised. I realise alot of this has been repeated already in this topic but yeah, it's more or less a comparison from older wars to the current one just passed. 2c -------------------- - Going MIA 31/03/2011 - - Avid-Gamers Unit - | ||||||||
Posted: May 24, 2010 04:43 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | That's just how the times are now Reece. Teamspeak or some form of audio communication is vital to fighting nowadays. Rarely are clans not using some form of audio communication. It's something that has happened to the clan world that you must either adapt to or face disadvantage. More people should have been calling out the pile and location in the clan chat. Your right, it is pretty tough finding out who the pile is or where we are if you don't hear exactly what was called over audio (or are not on audio for that matter). Normally we have quite a few people calling out both the pile and our location in the clan chat, I suppose that didn't happen as much with this fight because we were rusty in fighting and, by the looks of it, not very well organized to being with. Hopefully soon we will fix the problems we have right now with PvP and do better next time. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||||||
Posted: May 24, 2010 09:37 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | The problem was Reece, that we really had no choice but to pile the lvl 126s... Their levels WERE very very good, compared to us. They had one lvl 115 and one lvl 119 and those were the two lowest levels I believe. One of those could tank pretty well for their level. So, we were left with minimal options really. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 24, 2010 10:49 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
I brought that up on the day we first considered the war. Everyone knew their ML was almost completley 120+. Forsaken was a very bad choice for a war. We want to focus on clans we stand a chance against, and Gene had a good idea with trying to war RSB clans. Right now we want guaranteed victories. We need the motivation and to end this losing streak as fast as possible. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||||
Posted: May 25, 2010 12:48 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
Obvious planning fail is obvious -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: May 25, 2010 12:52 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
Well if it's obvious then why is no one doing it? The war wasn't planned out correctly because of the mass confusion we had with the times, the banner for it wasn't even made till a day before the war... a turnout of only 20ish was expected with that kind of prep. Finding the right clan to war is only the first part. The second is hyping it up. Mass-PMs, banners/sigs, use of the SMS service, video address if need be - we have the means to do it all. We proved that with the Great War. We just need to actually do it. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||||
Posted: May 25, 2010 01:51 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
The leaders were doing their best and will improve in time.  -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: May 25, 2010 02:04 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | It was a party for them and we were the cake. To Reece: The WG thing at the pile is cause if you looked at the map half the clan wasn't at the pile and finding it. That being spammed should of helped them find the pile. If we shouldn't be spamming and should do something else, let me know. I think we need to go back to mute the channel and only a few talking on audio. It would make it easier for us to follow what is actually going on. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||||
Posted: May 25, 2010 02:11 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
I have nothing against what the leaders did in the war itself. I'm fairly happy with our performance. In a 1 hour PKRI we had 30 kills which averages at a kill per 2 minutes, which is not THAT bad. I did see people getting dropped instantly in bind robes, but I know that we personally have a lot to work on. But I still think arranging a war with a clan like Forsaken was a mistake. If I was council, I would not have allowed it. I knew from the start that we would not get the victory. I said it SEVERAL times, and was met with "Keanu, have some faith." So I gave in and kept quiet, and it just turned out the way I expected it to - prep and everything. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||||
Posted: May 25, 2010 02:12 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Flame_Reece Group: Emeritus Posts: 626 Member No.: 133 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | Completely agree with you DZ that audio is essential, but what i was getting at (probably wasn't that clear by how i said it), that ingame chat should not be shunned out completely just because we have audio. RL's should beable to utilise BOTH mechanics efficiently, not just one. And i agree to you also Rach that it helps people find the pile, was just saying that if we're aiming for much larger clan wars there should be atleast 10 people saying "wg <name <random sign spam>" with the rest just doing "wg". That way people know where the pile is and who we are ACTUALLY piling. Thanks for the reply guys, was hoping for some updates and i know i'm fairly older when it comes to wars and how they work etc -------------------- - Going MIA 31/03/2011 - - Avid-Gamers Unit - | ||||||||
Posted: May 25, 2010 02:18 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | The spamming isn't that easy. When we call a pile, everyone ideally should have bind robes out. So they bind, then click to attack. A bind which lasts 5 seconds is reduced to about 3 and a half seconds of attacking (Which is 1-2 hits) by the time the binders catch up and can start melee hitting them again, before our pile starts running again and they have to cast a bind once more. Don't forget that they had a lot of snipers, so when a binder gets attacked they have to put their Rune on before going back to the start. There really is a minimalistic opportunity for spamming. The only people who are in a position to spam are rangers who don't hybrid, and that's semi-useless because they won't be in the main pile. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||||
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