No i disagree with you fully.
It's positive thinking that has gotten us out of every mess in history.
When people start talking like that, we slump.

How did we get out of our slump in Turning Tides?
We prepared for victory and we were positive.

Forgive me for being optimistic, but I see such great promise, which is why I get so angry.
If I didn't see us as amoung the best, why would I try so hard to prove it?
 
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No i disagree with you fully.
It's positive thinking that has gotten us out of every mess in history.
When people start talking like that, we slump.

How did we get out of our slump in Turning Tides?
We prepared for victory and we were positive.

Forgive me for being optimistic, but I see such great promise, which is why I get so angry.
If I didn't see us as amoung the best, why would I try so hard to prove it?

We also warred Dangerous Business.
Kill Orgy is a top (#4 or 5) P2P team with a good amount of members from DF and other top clans.

Having a full out war every weekend isn't enough time to work on our weaknesses considering they last about 5 minutes.
 
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Two.

The LND war I wasn't there so can't comment. But we outpulled Eternity almost as bad as we outpulled Gladz, and 1) They took the lead for half the fight and 2) we had to work our asses off to catch the win. That's not "tough", that's more like "disgsting" seeing how badly we started off. If that was P2P we would have cleared them in seconds.

The variable there is "IF".

Blatiantly obvious:
- We're good in P2P, we suck in F2P.
- We win by outpulling, and we suck at -most- matched fights.

This is ironic coming from me, but put aside who we were in 2008. Back then we had a level of individual skill that made us a force to be reckoned with in a F2P or matched fight. We do not have that individual skill now.

I agree, it would be nice to get that skill back, but for one - I agree with Lee when I say F2P is a waste. We have no interest in F2P, otherwise we would be good at it for a start and maybe incorporate it into our events. I can't remember the las-- no, actually the last F2P PvP event we had that wasn't war was my Megaraid months ago.

As for P2P matched... I hate matched fights. But I'd rather up the individual skill and fight the bigger clans in P2P and win, without having to heavily outnumber. And if we have any suggestions on how to do that please share them.

No one in WG wants us to become a F2P powerhouse. I agree with lee, top tier F2P is not a fun place that we want WG to be in. We dont want 6 hour long f2p PKRIS and F2P Raids. They're not fun. Its long, boring, and requires numbers we dont have. But it is undeniable that F2P builds important skills that EVERYONE needs to have in order to improve . If you cant handle F2P, how the hell do you expect to compete in P2P?

If you want to suceed in today's clan world, you will not do it with numbers. Go ahead and try, and watch WG turn into the failure that RDK was. You can have all the numbers in the world, but if your organization and skill suck, you will still lose. You think that numbers will save you in the end? Wait until WG fights someone that can actually compete with us and tell me how fun it is when you lose with +15 people over them (Eternity). Then compare it to how much fun it is when you beat a clan that can barely match you in the first place when you have a +15 man advantage over them (Gladz)

The fact that P2P does not rely on numbers is why our switch from F2P to P2P when I was Warlord suceeded. We had tons of matched fights in both F2P and P2P, coupled along with raids. We had weekly tank practices, both in F2P and P2P that practiced core warring skills. We had guides and videos up informing and educating newer warrers. Any raid leader or any person who has talked to me know that my focus my entire time as Warlord was to improve the quality of the members. Once we had that accomplished, THEN we started venturing to much more difficult fights. Not vise versa.

That is why we suceeded. You guys have the capacity to pull much more than we did. A major difference between now and then though, is that we made our numbers count. Now, you guys rely on quantity, but back then, we relied on our quality. Each WG member could tank, pile, transition, and keep up with all the commands leader gave them without fail. Members were constantly drilled in F2P and P2P. its the reason why when we fought 40 Distortion + Friends with only 25 WG, we won.

Gene keeps making this big wars that hypes everyone up and gives us a great boost, but we are missing the critical things that let it continue. People are obssessed with getting our name out there, and continuing the flow. As a result, we get PKRIs and more Fullouts. If the quality of our fighters is lacking, what do you think will happen? Failure. All that momentum is drained into nothing, because numbers will not give us a victory. You NEED quality to succeed. Look at the last major wars; turning tides, the great war, and ask yourself why it was only temporary.

Over the past 3 years, I have watched and analyzed WG's slumps and growths. I've watched the individual styles and focuses of many Warlords and Raid leaders, and I've seen their weaknesses and strengths. You guys have all the ingredients and setup for success. I'm telling you guys the recipe.

Summary:
Do plenty of matched opts both in F2P and P2P. Single Target for now.
Continue P2P raids, but matched fights have priority.
Stay away from F2P raids and PKRIs.
Stay away from F2P fullouts for now.
Stay away from P2P fullouts for now.

Educate members; every member can be taught. Everyone must know how to tank, and be able to tank. Guides/Videos/Matched fights need to be provided.

Raid leaders need to be wiser in picking fights. Many fights recently have been highly questionable.

You cannot run. If you want to get better, there is no other way; eventually, it will be inevitable.
If you continue to rely on numbers and nothing else, you will not succeed.
 
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You aren't all of WG.


This is Staff. Raid Leaders/Warlords. Entertaining the idea and actually seriously talking about it would be a good idea. With the intention of actually doing that. Haven't seen that.

ALL OF WG MUST DEVELOP WARRING SKILLS AND MATCHED IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THAT
 
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Then watch another slump. This isn't the summer where you'll pick up members like its nothing. Take things slowly, and have patience on working on it. I couldn't have said it better myself than Kevin did, and I'm not going to waste my time typing it all out. If you want to know whats good for this clan, read up.
 
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The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO
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