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Posted: May 13, 2009 06:48 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623    | I voted 'Yes' in terms of you just backing off until Uni ends in 3-4 weeks. Until then, appoint council to take charge. We have more leaders now, and i think we can hold it off. I don't want to sound pushy, but you are the one that can bring us back. You always have been, and so we have to wait it our until you come back to flourish like we always have in the past. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||
Posted: May 13, 2009 06:56 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gusmighster Group: Emeritus Posts: 1360 Member No.: 46 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Seriously, a merge is the biggest NO I have ever given to a proposition. I agree with the majority, stick it out until you have 6 weeks to repair WG. WG can look after itself until then, you sort yourself out before sorting us out. --------------------  | ||
Posted: May 13, 2009 10:10 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Vote, you are the face of WG and we can wait. -------------------- | ||
Posted: May 13, 2009 10:18 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I always liked when you held the founder rank, appointed another primary leader (I'm thinking of when you did this with Abs) and stay involved with the clan, just not hold the 'primary leader' rank. You can come back to activity when you have the time for it. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||
Posted: May 14, 2009 04:39 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Do what you think is best for yourself in this situation, no one can make that decision but you. If you have to leave, even for awhile, turn it over to the council. It's their job and I'm sure they have the initiative to handle it (even if they don't it'll be a learning experience for the whole clan; if everything disbands just because you're gone for awhile then we're already way past screwed). --------------------  | ||
Posted: May 14, 2009 11:19 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: txtawkin/kathy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 847 Member No.: 1604 Joined: December 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 45 | ^^^ I agree with Wayne completely. --------------------  | ||
Posted: May 17, 2009 10:37 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I would rather see WG close than merge with another clan. It would not be WG then. Gene, you have had bouts of inactivity but we always knew you were there. You are what defines WG and makes us what we are without you its not the same. --------------------   | ||
Posted: May 18, 2009 12:22 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sun|Sirxxxsml94 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 67 Member No.: 1796 Joined: March 26, 2009 Total Events Attended: 2 | I voted no. I would suggest that you do a duo-leader thing rather than quitting. --------------------     | ||
Posted: May 18, 2009 12:35 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Fire Lion Sword Group: Emeritus Posts: 1189 Member No.: 103 Joined: January 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 3 |
This. -------------------- --------- 獅の炎 ----------  ----------- 忍☯者 ----------- | ||
Posted: May 18, 2009 06:49 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Remember what happened last time you officially 'threw in the towel'? I had to talk you out of retirement, because WG was even worse than it is now. I refuse to have todo that again. Listen to an old friend. Take founder, till your holiday. Have a break. We will survive without you. We have before. Although barely. Have a break. Have a kitkat. If we merge. I can pretty much guarentee Our ML from now will half. If not more. Noone will want to stay if we merge. We are Wilderness Guardians. Not Zero tolerance guardians or whatever. WG wouldnt be the same. And you know it. We shall talk about this more. --------------------    | ||
Posted: May 18, 2009 10:11 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 |
Hi Jenny I wish you were back with us. I miss you.  Always have some wisdom for us. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: May 22, 2009 08:34 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Nate] Group: Ex-Member Posts: 19 Member No.: 1876 Joined: May 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 4 | I say u stay lordy. and whoever said there isnt enough enthusiam hasnt met me yet! i am back and full of excitement and enthusiam. maybe itll rub off on some of you  -------------------- | ||
Posted: May 24, 2009 10:22 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Right, I probably am in the worst of positions to voice any opinion that deserves any consideration, but an external & retrospective point of view can't do any harm as long as it is considered for what it is: highly likely to be outdated, not in phase with the current interests of the clan, but thus gaining at least one thing for itself... neutrality, lack of compassion. Why do I allow myself to even think about posting? Simply because I have seen these questions concerning options for the future of WG come up frequently... In other words, keeping the WG "taste" and sacrificing performance or even the existence of the clan, and on the other side, sacrificing this WG identity by conforming to a less tolerant, more performance-driven logic... and everything is summed up by the continuous conflict between Skills/Community and PvP, between raising requirements and keeping them accessible, between favouring elites and remaining open to people on a friendly basis, regardless of skill or no-lifing potential. Also embodied in Gene's person as many of replies to topics like this show... Gene you started WG along an original code of values that go beyond simple performance, and in that WG is a very egalitarian clan in its principles, quite unique in the clanworld... However it exposes WG to continuous torments - first, too much legislation, rules, frameworks, plans, projects which complexify the clan in its good-willed strive for equality & fairness... a most admirable objective which takes away from the clan's flexibility to adapt to events. Constantly new policy has to be defined, polls set up to ensure democracy etc etc and running a clan which has ran like WG, without the person who has in his head the precise idea of what "WG" should stand for, is tremendously complicated. Because after all, Eugene is the person which WG trusts to think well independantly from polls or debate, because he set the guidelines as WG was created and grew year after year. With Eugene here, it is easy and reasonable, more efficient, to trust in the values WG promotes - Eugene can bypass democracy, often for the best because it ensures swift action... very efficient in slump situation, as WG's history shows. It has the downturn of creating drama, as WG's history shows as frequently. Where am I going with all this? WG is simply very linked to Gene's person, through its originality and simply the way it grew - always following his guidelines. When WG started to move too far away from compassion towards performance, the ones thirsting for more action, more clan power, more efficiency & armed success, those would either leave to heavy PKing clans or were booted or left one way or the other, as WG never operated a radical & permanent change towards performance/elites... the loyal stay of course, this notion of core Gene puts forth throughout the ages. But this unending cycle of members joining and leaving, of growth through recruitment, then slump through leavings and inactivity which results of WG's peculiar nature has also made the clan live too long. WG will always be WG, especially with Gene at its helm. If one aspires to a fast growing clan with high activity rates, high turnouts, a certain "hype" clan on RSC where clanless 120s decide to join because of the cool name... that isn't possible with the name "Wilderness Guardians", because this name is either too old, or has too much identity, history attached to it. If WG was to undergo a radical change and live, I absolutely have no advice other than keep Eugene, because in effect, or at least what I have seen, WG can only stick to be the WG most of us desire with Eugene's will behind it... polls or no polls, when WG drifts away or even seems to be in danger, there will be a reaction and a radical change, because Eugene has the legitimity to do things. Now if WG was to "die", I would only suggest everybody go his way. WG has always been a particular composite grouping of people who cooperate towards something rather vague, and that's what kind of makes the charm of the clan: the few times where clan-wide "objectives" were set, they were perfectly futile to how people behaved... we always strove for a "good" clan, a human clan, a clan that is not understandable to many in the clan community... a merger would not work. Too many people here have their way, we have too many exceptions, or rather, an exception for every exceptional person we discover among us. And again, the only thing WG retains to itself however the amount of people who turn up to raids, is this tight knit "core", and a palette of values we all adhere to. Under another banner, this identity would be lost, I'm pretty sure. If this identity is to stay, keep Lordy. But be assured that this identity will be a barrier to becoming a "Top Clan" and staying there. The only way to do that would eventually be to cristallize the name in a grave by closing WG, and starting afresh, with a new set of objectives & credos, a new founder, and most likely a community restricted to the most active & skilled... that's the manner in which clans rise fast. If they're very lucky, they'll stay high. If they're among the most, they'll fail after a while and dislocate. WG is somewhat the same, except it never changes name, only its members. How many batches of 500 could the "All WG Ever" list hold? ...but it is my guess not many want this, except the few frustrated advocates of zero tolerance, who would've created a breakoff a long time ago if their friends weren't all here, or if Eugene had died or never existed... I was once one of these persons, but realized it would be impossible to keep the bonds which link Guardians together, without the Wilderness before them. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||
Posted: May 24, 2009 11:41 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | You don't sound very French... Welcome back to our boards. I've missed you mate. I'm really glad to hear from you! --------------------  | ||
Posted: May 24, 2009 06:41 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Oh I've always been lurking around. -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||
Posted: June 8, 2009 10:19 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | Nicely said and as always very well thought out! Like Gene, I have missed you too! --------------------  WG love forever, Kristy  | ||
Posted: December 3, 2009 12:42 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Way to bump this 9 month old topic guys. --------------------   | ||
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