LOL

Are you kidding? I never do any of those things.

Lol.

When do we kill skillers?

Every one is just as bad as the other. Picking out one from a list and saying "yo wut we dun do dat" is pretty stupid and an absolutely terrible argument to defend yourselves with.

I'm not trying to boast about my own clan, but for example, even running to single while being piled or praying 1 vs 1 is a kick-able offense in DI. That's true honor and something the likes of WG, like all other clans, have started to forget.

I agree with what Eregion said.

Look, I haven't seen us kill any skillers on any raids. The only people doing anything besides pking or 26king are dragon killers. I don't get your arguement at all sorry.

Randy teleported when he got piled by DI the other week. (sorry to name but it's a damn good example, i still love you)
When rushing WG+TDM+Randoms north of clan wars almost all of the ones that didn't get 1 hit ran to clan wars, which is of course a single safe zone.
Even since before I left, nobody even spoke about anti-pking. Back in the day we used to have skiller protection trips and so forth which now, with brawling gloves and the dangers of BH, are more important than ever for stepping up and defining who WG really are. But it's not done anymore for some reason.

It would be somewhat difficult to find who is brawling in a pking world. It is sorta rare to see. The best we could do would be to protect our own skillers in an event. I'm not in a position of making events or leadership, so maybe you could suggest this to the leaders...? It sounds like a pretty interesting event.

On regards to running or teleing from clans that is a valid point. I would counter it by giving you a few facts. We are in the process of trying to build up strength, morale and numbers in WG. I reckon the decision made to run to single or tele from overpowering and more experienced clans is to keep morale high and encourage future raids. I suggest spectating some raids and maybe you will see this does not occur very often. Thanks. We have had trouble getting a significant pull to raids in the past you might have seen?

If you can tell me how this doesn't logically make sense I might accept some of your criticisms as valid. I agree somewhat on the protecting skillers idea, trouble is implementation.
 
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You forgot 'and keep honour low'.

Seriously I'd prefer to raid with 5 guys who stood and fought to the death no matter who they faced rather than 50 who teled to save their pixels at the first sign of DI.

The only tele-ing that occurs is the ring of life. That isn't even guaranteed. It might still be teleporting, but we have stepped deep in the wilderness, and even with the RoL there is still the chance of dying. It is not like we teleport when we see a clan that is 3x our opts. Hell we fight RDK when we know that they have more opts than us.

When it comes down to it, we are trying to keep the morale high by tanking to single if we can, which I believe is pretty much the same as tanking outside of the wilderness, which I have seen P Min3r try to do in a video that DF made. The only form of teleportion (that I know of) that is used by WG during raids is a RoL. So don't talk shit unless you know what goes on.
 
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You forgot 'and keep honour low'.

Seriously I'd prefer to raid with 5 guys who stood and fought to the death no matter who they faced rather than 50 who teled to save their pixels at the first sign of DI.

The only tele-ing that occurs is the ring of life. That isn't even guaranteed. It might still be teleporting, but we have stepped deep in the wilderness, and even with the RoL there is still the chance of dying. It is not like we teleport when we see a clan that is 3x our opts. Hell we fight RDK when we know that they have more opts than us.

When it comes down to it, we are trying to keep the morale high by tanking to single if we can, which I believe is pretty much the same as tanking outside of the wilderness, which I have seen P Min3r try to do in a video that DF made. The only form of teleportion (that I know of) that is used by WG during raids is a RoL. So don't talk shit unless you know what goes on.

You what, just come to our raids and see how we don't teleport. GTFO your high horse and actually find some facts instead of slinging mud around. Anyone can do that. Show some respect.
 
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i love you stoke for the simple fact that your not afraid to stir the pot. you get ppl to look at something in a different way other than their own and i have mad respect for you for that reason.
 
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LOL

Are you kidding? I never do any of those things.

Lol.

When do we kill skillers?

Every one is just as bad as the other. Picking out one from a list and saying "yo wut we dun do dat" is pretty stupid and an absolutely terrible argument to defend yourselves with.

I'm not trying to boast about my own clan, but for example, even running to single while being piled or praying 1 vs 1 is a kick-able offense in DI. That's true honor and something the likes of WG, like all other clans, have started to forget.

I agree with what Eregion said.

Look, I haven't seen us kill any skillers on any raids. The only people doing anything besides pking or 26king are dragon killers. I don't get your arguement at all sorry.

Randy teleported when he got piled by DI the other week. (sorry to name but it's a damn good example, i still love you)
When rushing WG+TDM+Randoms north of clan wars almost all of the ones that didn't get 1 hit ran to clan wars, which is of course a single safe zone.
Even since before I left, nobody even spoke about anti-pking. Back in the day we used to have skiller protection trips and so forth which now, with brawling gloves and the dangers of BH, are more important than ever for stepping up and defining who WG really are. But it's not done anymore for some reason.

It would be somewhat difficult to find who is brawling in a pking world. It is sorta rare to see. The best we could do would be to protect our own skillers in an event. I'm not in a position of making events or leadership, so maybe you could suggest this to the leaders...? It sounds like a pretty interesting event.

On regards to running or teleing from clans that is a valid point. I would counter it by giving you a few facts. We are in the process of trying to build up strength, morale and numbers in WG. I reckon the decision made to run to single or tele from overpowering and more experienced clans is to keep morale high and encourage future raids. I suggest spectating some raids and maybe you will see this does not occur very often. Thanks. We have had trouble getting a significant pull to raids in the past you might have seen?

If you can tell me how this doesn't logically make sense I might accept some of your criticisms as valid. I agree somewhat on the protecting skillers idea, trouble is implementation.

RoL is teleporting... theres absolutely no excuse for it. The only other clan I've seen using them is RoT. The fact that you're trying to defend that is laughable. Everyone should have a recoil on for starters.

"tanking it to single" just makes "running to single" sound better.

Skillers are easy to spot. There are always people using their gloves at hobgoblin mines, agility arena, fishing spot, black salamanders and at the furnace/anvils to name a few. These skillers attract small teams of under 10 people. These are who WG should be going after to boost morale. If you're in the peak zones such as west of east drags or deep wild then you can only expect to get rushed and contested by a top clan.
 
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Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion.

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Challenge any creationist to a debate.
They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs".
I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research.
I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs".

LOL

Are you kidding? I never do any of those things.

Lol.

When do we kill skillers?

Every one is just as bad as the other. Picking out one from a list and saying "yo wut we dun do dat" is pretty stupid and an absolutely terrible argument to defend yourselves with.

I'm not trying to boast about my own clan, but for example, even running to single while being piled or praying 1 vs 1 is a kick-able offense in DI. That's true honor and something the likes of WG, like all other clans, have started to forget.

I agree with what Eregion said.

Look, I haven't seen us kill any skillers on any raids. The only people doing anything besides pking or 26king are dragon killers. I don't get your arguement at all sorry.

Randy teleported when he got piled by DI the other week. (sorry to name but it's a damn good example, i still love you)
When rushing WG+TDM+Randoms north of clan wars almost all of the ones that didn't get 1 hit ran to clan wars, which is of course a single safe zone.
Even since before I left, nobody even spoke about anti-pking. Back in the day we used to have skiller protection trips and so forth which now, with brawling gloves and the dangers of BH, are more important than ever for stepping up and defining who WG really are. But it's not done anymore for some reason.

It would be somewhat difficult to find who is brawling in a pking world. It is sorta rare to see. The best we could do would be to protect our own skillers in an event. I'm not in a position of making events or leadership, so maybe you could suggest this to the leaders...? It sounds like a pretty interesting event.

On regards to running or teleing from clans that is a valid point. I would counter it by giving you a few facts. We are in the process of trying to build up strength, morale and numbers in WG. I reckon the decision made to run to single or tele from overpowering and more experienced clans is to keep morale high and encourage future raids. I suggest spectating some raids and maybe you will see this does not occur very often. Thanks. We have had trouble getting a significant pull to raids in the past you might have seen?

If you can tell me how this doesn't logically make sense I might accept some of your criticisms as valid. I agree somewhat on the protecting skillers idea, trouble is implementation.

RoL is teleporting... theres absolutely no excuse for it. The only other clan I've seen using them is RoT. The fact that you're trying to defend that is laughable. Everyone should have a recoil on for starters.

"tanking it to single" just makes "running to single" sound better.

Skillers are easy to spot. There are always people using their gloves at hobgoblin mines, agility arena, fishing spot, black salamanders and at the furnace/anvils to name a few. These skillers attract small teams of under 10 people. These are who WG should be going after to boost morale. If you're in the peak zones such as west of east drags or deep wild then you can only expect to get rushed and contested by a top clan.

Well sure, I'll try to get some events going in that direction Stoke. If I become event leader. Frankly it is rather easy for you to sit there and criticize us. You'd rather do that than join again and actually help. Put yourself in our shoes for bit than just take jabs sitting on your high horse. I don't think it is really helping your cause of improving WG's honor code? Why not go make a topic or list of things you think would improve that aspect and give it to your good bud Lordy or submit it politely on forums?
 
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You forgot 'and keep honour low'.

Seriously I'd prefer to raid with 5 guys who stood and fought to the death no matter who they faced rather than 50 who teled to save their pixels at the first sign of DI.

The only tele-ing that occurs is the ring of life. That isn't even guaranteed. It might still be teleporting, but we have stepped deep in the wilderness, and even with the RoL there is still the chance of dying. It is not like we teleport when we see a clan that is 3x our opts. Hell we fight RDK when we know that they have more opts than us.

When it comes down to it, we are trying to keep the morale high by tanking to single if we can, which I believe is pretty much the same as tanking outside of the wilderness, which I have seen P Min3r try to do in a video that DF made. The only form of teleportion (that I know of) that is used by WG during raids is a RoL. So don't talk shit unless you know what goes on.

You what, just come to our raids and see how we don't teleport. GTFO your high horse and actually find some facts instead of slinging mud around. Anyone can do that. Show some respect.

FYI recently I have been to 3 of WG's F2P raids and 2 P2P raids so I have had a personal experience of your modern-day raids for myself, and I wouldn't join a debate if I was unsure of my facts.

1. A ring of life to me is no different than hitting a tele tab at 10%hp and I agree with Stoke when I say everyone should be wearing a recoil. Two rings. One teleports when you're on low HP. One helps do damage to the enemy. NH vs Honour. Not hard to choose.

2. 'Stepped deep' into the wilderness? So if you stepped deep, then why have a ring of life, which is rendered useless after 30 wild? It's a waste of space, so take a recoil and do something. Simple.

3. If you're not deep, how can you possibly be Anti-RPKing? The mining sites, rune rocks, nats, treasure trails, Agility arena... they're all long-past the teleport zones, so what can you possibly do in shallow? Help protect the guys at the bandit camp making pizza?

Sith...

Well me and Stoke talked it out a little bit. I'll have some suggestions and ideas to compile and post later. I don't appreciate some of the negativity directed toward the clan still. We are probably the least NH out of most clans. Just because we are not strong at the moment does not give you the right to attack us. Thanks.
 
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Well of course it wasn't pleasant and bright but it was an attempt at constructive criticism without trolling. Anyway I'm glad a compromise is being reached and I think it would be better if I disappeared from the WG forums for a bit until the heat's off
 
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Well of course it wasn't pleasant and bright but it was an attempt at constructive criticism without trolling. Anyway I'm glad a compromise is being reached and I think it would be better if I disappeared from the WG forums for a bit until the heat's off

Ya you probably should honestly.
 
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So WG isn't considered an Anti-Rpking clan anymore?

I am confused about this though. Back in the day everyone else was like "if you're in the wilderness we can kill yo" but we were like "no you can't chillax" but now they're saying "if you're in a pvp world we can kill yo" and we're like "k" <-- that's confuzzling.
 
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So WG isn't considered an Anti-Rpking clan anymore?

I am confused about this though. Back in the day everyone else was like "if you're in the wilderness we can kill yo" but we were like "no you can't chillax" but now they're saying "if you're in a pvp world we can kill yo" and we're like "k" <-- that's confuzzling.

We're still Anti-RPK, but its just not as important in clan society anymore.
 
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bto

Ex-WG Warlord

"It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations."

Very well worded Your name seems familiar, were you ever in cXs by any chance?

Another question to be raised is how do Bounty Worlds fit into the equation?

Scenario:

Player 1 is a member of WG. Player 2 is a solo PKer who plays Bounty Hunter in a 1v1 style. WG are out on a F2P raid in deep wilderness. After finding there is nothing to be accomplished in the two standard PvP worlds, WG hops to Player 2's Bounty World and continue raiding. Player 1 and Player 2 become targets. Player 2 travels to deep with the intention of killing Player 1, but instead meets WG.

What does WG do?

Of course Player 2 has gone into a Bounty World to PK others and is fully aware of the risks involved, but Bounty Worlds weren't made with the intention of clans interfering, as it was when the original Bounty Hunter was released. So how does this go in the book of Anti-RPKing?
 
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Not much.

Good things don't last forever I suppose. The best we can do is be happy we had the opportunity to experience the good old days, and move on. Besides, in time there may be a trickle of enjoyment to be held as WG cleans out the deep PvP wilderness in a nice 50+ opts raid some saturday evening in the not-too-distant future.
 
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Yeah, 3 years ago I wouldn't have imagined meleeing in D'hide would be considered honourable but nowadays 3 pieces of rune at minimum is ok in a lot of situations... in some clans you could get a scim, helm and kite, then dhide body and chaps and turn up to a PKRI and no one'd say anything more. Damn.
 
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I overlooked this topic before, but somehow it developed into a serious discussion.

Honour that dictates you should not run, tele, pray, etc, is a farce. It is a luxury of the large clans that want to convince the smaller ones it is honourable to stand and die to them. It also has a psychological benefit for larger clans if their members know they cannot retreat, and the other clan fighting them knows that they are going to in for a very hard fight. Thus not retreating can make larger clans a feared force in the wilderness.

For smaller clans it works the opposite way; such a policy is not sustainable and makes the larger clans want to hunt them because they know it is basically free rune. The larger clans will of course continue to hand you out small tokens of respect, but in reality they are laughing that they have convinced you to follow a policy that is completely against your own interests. If a larger clan respects you for not retreating, it is because you are helping restock their rune sets.

There is of course honour in not backing down easily, however that should not be confused with a suicidal tenancy to fight and die against impossible odds.

I consider it honourable not to sacrifice your rune to restock DI's bank, but rather to sacrifice your rune to save that of your clanmates. That is, if you still hold honour to be of value, consider being the one to tank it out (and eventually die) in order to let the rest of your clan have an orderly retreat and regroup.

I would say there is still room for some honour, or atleast respect. Doing things like not crashing or cheating in fights, offering to AC in order to prevent crashing, not continuously hunting down/bullying smaller clans, taking a strong stance against any hacking or spying, showing respect to your opponent, and not backing down from challenging but winnable fights, are all still relevant to being an honourable clan.

As for anti-rpking, I think that today the underlying principle--do not prey on those who are weak and cannot defend themselves-- is more important than the actual act of anti-rpking.
 
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