Invest $30-50 a month starting at age 20 and you'll retire a millionaire.

yup, something like 7%-14% interest init?

p.s- Chimp, i still think 9/11 was a conspiracy designed by Zionist Jews(jews who follow the Talmud/oral law to the brink of Jewish *extremism*, ex- 10 Commandments only apply to Jews) to start a war on the Arab/Muslim world. Honestly, one of the passengers was the head of counterterrorism for israel on one of the flights that hit the towers, and he did nothing? lul wut
*Note how I said Extremism=hijack the words of the Talmud to fit beliefs*
 
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Excellent contribution to the debate.

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Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009

These "Taxes" are at MOST about 1/5th of what you need for the most simple operation. Next time you have an accident and break your leg, or maybe you get in a car accident and loose your legs and they make you pick which one you want more, your left or right leg for around $60, 000 a peice then say "NO HANDOUTS"

What middle class person with a fairly good income ($50, 000 - $80 000 a year) can afford that? Let's be serious here.

Taxing people for a healthcare for everyone benefits EVERYONE. It is much cheaper then the system you guys down there have now, I guarentee it.

And Micheal Moore asked that exact question to Canadians, "Why should I pay taxes for everyone else" and they replied because we would do the same for them.
 
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Retired from RS.

Right, why should YOU pay for me?

Well, you know what, the police have never REALLY come to my house and helped me out, so I'd like to keep that money. There are MANY roads and highways I DO NOT use, so I'd like that back, thanks. Fire Department? Never had any situation where I've needed them, so thanks for that back. What else? National Defense, you know what, they let me down once, so I'd like that back because it seems like a waste. All those national parks that are kept up by the government, I'd like my money back because I don't go see them. The same with museums.

But I suppose shelling out money for THOSE things is alright?

Honestly, it's not even about people bumming around asking for free healthcare. The people that we're most concerned about are the people that DID work their ENTIRE LIVES and then get FUCKED OVER by greedy healthcare companies because it's cheaper to them if that man or woman dies.

This is for the people that DO have jobs and are forced to pay EVERYTHING out of pocket.

Ever plan something with someone and then have them bail at the last minute? Maybe planning a party and they're supposed to bring the drinks but they don't even show up? You'd be angry because your party just got fucked over. Now think about that, but multiply it. Instead of having to shell out a few bucks for some sodas, it's your entire life savings.

Yeah, let's just fuck over the people that REALLY need help.

NO HANDOUTS!
MORE MURDER!
 
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Invest $30-50 a month starting at age 20 and you'll retire a millionaire.

yup, something like 7%-14% interest init?

p.s- Chimp, i still think 9/11 was a conspiracy designed by Zionist Jews(jews who follow the Talmud/oral law to the brink of Jewish *extremism*, ex- 10 Commandments only apply to Jews) to start a war on the Arab/Muslim world. Honestly, one of the passengers was the head of counterterrorism for israel on one of the flights that hit the towers, and he did nothing? lul wut
*Note how I said Extremism=hijack the words of the Talmud to fit beliefs*

Racism is bad, and conspiracy theories are stupid.
 
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Right, why should YOU pay for me?

Well, you know what, the police have never REALLY come to my house and helped me out, so I'd like to keep that money. There are MANY roads and highways I DO NOT use, so I'd like that back, thanks. Fire Department? Never had any situation where I've needed them, so thanks for that back. What else? National Defense, you know what, they let me down once, so I'd like that back because it seems like a waste. All those national parks that are kept up by the government, I'd like my money back because I don't go see them. The same with museums.

But I suppose shelling out money for THOSE things is alright?

Honestly, it's not even about people bumming around asking for free healthcare. The people that we're most concerned about are the people that DID work their ENTIRE LIVES and then get FUCKED OVER by greedy healthcare companies because it's cheaper to them if that man or woman dies.

This is for the people that DO have jobs and are forced to pay EVERYTHING out of pocket.

Ever plan something with someone and then have them bail at the last minute? Maybe planning a party and they're supposed to bring the drinks but they don't even show up? You'd be angry because your party just got fucked over. Now think about that, but multiply it. Instead of having to shell out a few bucks for some sodas, it's your entire life savings.

Yeah, let's just fuck over the people that REALLY need help.

NO HANDOUTS!
MORE MURDER!

Checkmate.

And to add on to that, from my post earlier in this thread...

Public transportation.
Public bathrooms.
Public libraries.
The postal service.
Etc...
 
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Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009

Invest $30-50 a month starting at age 20 and you'll retire a millionaire.

yup, something like 7%-14% interest init?

p.s- Chimp, i still think 9/11 was a conspiracy designed by Zionist Jews(jews who follow the Talmud/oral law to the brink of Jewish *extremism*, ex- 10 Commandments only apply to Jews) to start a war on the Arab/Muslim world. Honestly, one of the passengers was the head of counterterrorism for israel on one of the flights that hit the towers, and he did nothing? lul wut
*Note how I said Extremism=hijack the words of the Talmud to fit beliefs*

Racism is bad, and conspiracy theories are stupid.

to bad its not racism....if thats what you think me saying your avatar is white can be called racist.

 
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Invest $30-50 a month starting at age 20 and you'll retire a millionaire.

yup, something like 7%-14% interest init?

p.s- Chimp, i still think 9/11 was a conspiracy designed by Zionist Jews(jews who follow the Talmud/oral law to the brink of Jewish *extremism*, ex- 10 Commandments only apply to Jews) to start a war on the Arab/Muslim world. Honestly, one of the passengers was the head of counterterrorism for israel on one of the flights that hit the towers, and he did nothing? lul wut
*Note how I said Extremism=hijack the words of the Talmud to fit beliefs*

Racism is bad, and conspiracy theories are stupid.

to bad its not racism....if thats what you think me saying your avatar is white can be called racist.

How the hell can calling my avatar white be called racist? HE IS FUCKING WHITE THAT'S A FACT.

What you're saying is that an entire group of people is conspiring to kill another giant group of other people through a false flagging campaign, and you have no evidence to support it.
 
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Invest $30-50 a month starting at age 20 and you'll retire a millionaire.

yup, something like 7%-14% interest init?

p.s- Chimp, i still think 9/11 was a conspiracy designed by Zionist Jews(jews who follow the Talmud/oral law to the brink of Jewish *extremism*, ex- 10 Commandments only apply to Jews) to start a war on the Arab/Muslim world. Honestly, one of the passengers was the head of counterterrorism for israel on one of the flights that hit the towers, and he did nothing? lul wut
*Note how I said Extremism=hijack the words of the Talmud to fit beliefs*

Racism is bad, and conspiracy theories are stupid.

to bad its not racism....if thats what you think me saying your avatar is white can be called racist.

How the hell can calling my avatar white be called racist? HE IS FUCKING WHITE THAT'S A FACT.

What you're saying is that an entire group of people is conspiring to kill another giant group of other people through a false flagging campaign, and you have no evidence to support it.

there's plenty of evidence, o and you call conspiracy's stupid, i call you ignorant.... sorry bud

calling a black person black is racist nowadays as well.....
 
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Invest $30-50 a month starting at age 20 and you'll retire a millionaire.

yup, something like 7%-14% interest init?

p.s- Chimp, i still think 9/11 was a conspiracy designed by Zionist Jews(jews who follow the Talmud/oral law to the brink of Jewish *extremism*, ex- 10 Commandments only apply to Jews) to start a war on the Arab/Muslim world. Honestly, one of the passengers was the head of counterterrorism for israel on one of the flights that hit the towers, and he did nothing? lul wut
*Note how I said Extremism=hijack the words of the Talmud to fit beliefs*

Racism is bad, and conspiracy theories are stupid.

to bad its not racism....if thats what you think me saying your avatar is white can be called racist.

How the hell can calling my avatar white be called racist? HE IS FUCKING WHITE THAT'S A FACT.

What you're saying is that an entire group of people is conspiring to kill another giant group of other people through a false flagging campaign, and you have no evidence to support it.

there's plenty of evidence, o and you call conspiracy's stupid, i call you ignorant.... sorry bud

calling a black person black is racist nowadays as well.....

Ok then I claim Muslim's are conspiring to take over the world. Hell read their holy book, it doesn't even make a secret what they think of people who aren't Muslims. They are infidels and must be killed.

Christians holy book also is a strong proponent of sexism, and slavery.

Since when do Jews want to kill all the muslims? In fact it's the other way around, Muslims have always been the ones attacking Jews and then the Jews counter-attack. I'm not saying Israel has handled the situations the best they could, but they sure didn't instigate this.

I'm guessing you're one of these people that believe Jews are going to take over the world through the NWO? I find saying somebody is out to commit genocide while having no proof for your claim extremely racist yes.

Please provide me with the evidence and I will gladly look over it, do some independent research, and decide for myself.

By the way how would you like to be judged on the basis of your skin color? There's no reason that the color of your skin should have anything to do with the rest of your life. Yes, people are different colors, but there is no reason in any conversation that the color of somebody's skin is somehow of great importance.
 
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Invest $30-50 a month starting at age 20 and you'll retire a millionaire.

yup, something like 7%-14% interest init?

p.s- Chimp, i still think 9/11 was a conspiracy designed by Zionist Jews(jews who follow the Talmud/oral law to the brink of Jewish *extremism*, ex- 10 Commandments only apply to Jews) to start a war on the Arab/Muslim world. Honestly, one of the passengers was the head of counterterrorism for israel on one of the flights that hit the towers, and he did nothing? lul wut
*Note how I said Extremism=hijack the words of the Talmud to fit beliefs*

Racism is bad, and conspiracy theories are stupid.

to bad its not racism....if thats what you think me saying your avatar is white can be called racist.

How the hell can calling my avatar white be called racist? HE IS FUCKING WHITE THAT'S A FACT.

What you're saying is that an entire group of people is conspiring to kill another giant group of other people through a false flagging campaign, and you have no evidence to support it.

there's plenty of evidence, o and you call conspiracy's stupid, i call you ignorant.... sorry bud

calling a black person black is racist nowadays as well.....

Ok then I claim Muslim's are conspiring to take over the world. Hell read their holy book, it doesn't even make a secret what they think of people who aren't Muslims. They are infidels and must be killed.

Christians holy book also is a strong proponent of sexism, and slavery.

Since when do Jews want to kill all the muslims? In fact it's the other way around, Muslims have always been the ones attacking Jews and then the Jews counter-attack. I'm not saying Israel has handled the situations the best they could, but they sure didn't instigate this.

I'm guessing you're one of these people that believe Jews are going to take over the world through the NWO? I find saying somebody is out to commit genocide while having no proof for your claim extremely racist yes.

Please provide me with the evidence and I will gladly look over it, do some independent research, and decide for myself.

By the way how would you like to be judged on the basis of your skin color? There's no reason that the color of your skin should have anything to do with the rest of your life. Yes, people are different colors, but there is no reason in any conversation that the color of somebody's skin is somehow of great importance.

actually read the jewish talmud(the jewish oral law back in the day).....it states something along the lines of the 10 commandments are meant only for actions with other jews and does not apply to those in other religions and that Jews should be the only religion on the earth. Most Jews have gone past this but there are still jews that think thats how it should be. AKA killing a nonjew is ok, even by the 10 commandments......

o, and you are very wrong in what you think the Koran states, you have never talked to a muslim about their religion, go talk to saad or omar or someone who actually follows the religion you speak about..... I guess ignorance is bliss.
 
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Right, why should YOU pay for me?

Well, you know what, the police have never REALLY come to my house and helped me out, so I'd like to keep that money. There are MANY roads and highways I DO NOT use, so I'd like that back, thanks. Fire Department? Never had any situation where I've needed them, so thanks for that back. What else? National Defense, you know what, they let me down once, so I'd like that back because it seems like a waste. All those national parks that are kept up by the government, I'd like my money back because I don't go see them. The same with museums.

But I suppose shelling out money for THOSE things is alright?

Honestly, it's not even about people bumming around asking for free healthcare. The people that we're most concerned about are the people that DID work their ENTIRE LIVES and then get FUCKED OVER by greedy healthcare companies because it's cheaper to them if that man or woman dies.

This is for the people that DO have jobs and are forced to pay EVERYTHING out of pocket.

Ever plan something with someone and then have them bail at the last minute? Maybe planning a party and they're supposed to bring the drinks but they don't even show up? You'd be angry because your party just got fucked over. Now think about that, but multiply it. Instead of having to shell out a few bucks for some sodas, it's your entire life savings.

Yeah, let's just fuck over the people that REALLY need help.

NO HANDOUTS!
MORE MURDER!

Checkmate.

And to add on to that, from my post earlier in this thread...

Public transportation.
Public bathrooms.
Public libraries.
The postal service.
Etc...

Can you show me where is says i pay taxes for libraries and bathrooms? Pretty much I don't think my hard earned money should be taken to benefit people that dont make their own.

As I said, elderly/disabled people and kids without parents who can adequately pay should recieve help like this. I don't care have taxes taken for that. Same goes for a government pay out for a cancer patient, for example.

But someone with a broken bone goin to the emergency room for a cast? No. People's perscriptions when they could either foot the bill themselves or use regular insurance? no.

The whole bit about the police and fire department is a good point, but their salaries are by state a the most, am I right? State taxes are by far less than federal taxes. We're talkin about extra FEDERAL taxes here.


And what exactly do you mean by national defense? Hopefully you mean Homeland Security.


Can you show me some tpye of tax records for bathrooms, libraries, parks and museums pls? Sounds a bit bogus.

 
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Right, why should YOU pay for me?

Well, you know what, the police have never REALLY come to my house and helped me out, so I'd like to keep that money. There are MANY roads and highways I DO NOT use, so I'd like that back, thanks. Fire Department? Never had any situation where I've needed them, so thanks for that back. What else? National Defense, you know what, they let me down once, so I'd like that back because it seems like a waste. All those national parks that are kept up by the government, I'd like my money back because I don't go see them. The same with museums.

But I suppose shelling out money for THOSE things is alright?

Honestly, it's not even about people bumming around asking for free healthcare. The people that we're most concerned about are the people that DID work their ENTIRE LIVES and then get FUCKED OVER by greedy healthcare companies because it's cheaper to them if that man or woman dies.

This is for the people that DO have jobs and are forced to pay EVERYTHING out of pocket.

Ever plan something with someone and then have them bail at the last minute? Maybe planning a party and they're supposed to bring the drinks but they don't even show up? You'd be angry because your party just got fucked over. Now think about that, but multiply it. Instead of having to shell out a few bucks for some sodas, it's your entire life savings.

Yeah, let's just fuck over the people that REALLY need help.

NO HANDOUTS!
MORE MURDER!

Checkmate.

And to add on to that, from my post earlier in this thread...

Public transportation.
Public bathrooms.
Public libraries.
The postal service.
Etc...

Can you show me where is says i pay taxes for libraries and bathrooms? Pretty much I don't think my hard earned money should be taken to benefit people that dont make their own.

As I said, elderly/disabled people and kids without parents who can adequately pay should recieve help like this. I don't care have taxes taken for that. Same goes for a government pay out for a cancer patient, for example.

But someone with a broken bone goin to the emergency room for a cast? No. People's perscriptions when they could either foot the bill themselves or use regular insurance? no.

The whole bit about the police and fire department is a good point, but their salaries are by state a the most, am I right? State taxes are by far less than federal taxes. We're talkin about extra FEDERAL taxes here.


And what exactly do you mean by national defense? Hopefully you mean Homeland Security.


Can you show me some tpye of tax records for bathrooms, libraries, parks and museums pls? Sounds a bit bogus.

So you're making the claim that people who aren't disadvantaged by the terms you claim which involves ways people can supposedly not pay for it themselves due to some uncontrolled factor (ie an orphan, older person, etc), but what you fail to realize is that poor people are equally disadvantaged by the very system we employ which is called capitalism.

With capitalism it is impossible to have a classless society, and therefore you have the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. For example, somebody grows up in the ghetto, goes to a crappy school, can't go to college because he has no money, and ends up working a crappy job because he can't get a better one, and the cycle repeats, but from what I can tell you would tell these people that they are just lazy and can't pay for insurance because they can't get a job. Also what about the millions of people who are denied care because of bogus pre-existing conditions, and completely out of control private insurance rates which will skyrocket or drop you if you do get sick and need care.

You also seem to fail to realize the amount that will actually be saved in the long run by implementing a public option. The ridiculous prices of private insurance will be replaced by a reasonable public option which also helps to keep private insurance in check. Initially yes this will cost a lot, but over time it will eventually save more money than the current private healthcare we have now. The taxes will be placed mostly on people making more than 250k, which Obama has stated numerous times, and I repeat it once again. A very low percent of people make this much, and I think helping save lives is a bit more important than your summer home in the Bahamas.

Not sure if public restrooms are taxed but I'm fairly sure most public museums, national parks, and public libraries are payed for by taxes.
 
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