Stopped reading there. LOL
 
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Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009

Who the fuck are you to judge other people and decide what they should do with their lives? It doesn't involve you at all, so don't try to involve yourself in it.

How about this. You live your life. And everyone else will live theirs.


You guys are getting dangerously close to making me join this little "debate"...
 
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Probably the best serious thing I've read on this topic.

Colin: Go ahead and join in! I want to read something funny and not have to cause it myself, like reading a big topic on RSC.
 
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Thanks Sam for an awesome job and an awesome wait!

That's it, we're fucked.

I agree with Bill. As long as it's painless for the embryo I don't... oppose it (Was gonna say "mind") but it hasn't even entered the world at that point. I'm no advocate of taking a life at all (Well most of the time) but I'd rather abortion over adoption. You can argue that an adopted child or one brought up with a rough childhood because birth was forced as it were still allows the child a chance of life... I disagree. Before childbirth there is no conciousness, no understanding, no questions to be answered... and I honestly think the mother should have the responsibility to decide whether their child should have the sort of life that awaits them or not.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

My thoughts exactly.
Strongly pro-choice.
 
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Ex-Secondary Leader, Ex-Council, The Original Forum Tech
Original Join Date: 23-October 04

you hit the bulls eye.


and 1 question


How can someone be strongly pro-choice when you believe in"Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare".

Most abortions are done, they are usually done by that women 2+ times b/c she and her boyfriend/1 night stand fucked up.
There's nothing rare in that.
I believe the baby should be born b/c she fucked up and the dad should have to pay for everything concerning the baby until it is adopted because he's at fault as well...
 
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You seem to get confused with the difference between 'fact' and 'talking out of your ass'. Above is an example of the latter, espescially since it makes almost no sense... "Most abortions are done"?

Please don't make claims unless you have any evidence to back them up, lol.
 
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You seem to get confused with the difference between 'fact' and 'talking out of your ass'. Above is an example of the latter, espescially since it makes almost no sense... "Most abortions are done"?

Please don't make claims unless you have any evidence to back them up, lol.

ZING
 
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Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009

You seem to get confused with the difference between 'fact' and 'talking out of your ass'. Above is an example of the latter, espescially since it makes almost no sense... "Most abortions are done"?

Please don't make claims unless you have any evidence to back them up, lol.

there is evidence, Most women who have abortions usually get more than 1 done in their lifetime.=2+. Sorry.
 
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You seem to get confused with the difference between 'fact' and 'talking out of your ass'. Above is an example of the latter, espescially since it makes almost no sense... "Most abortions are done"?

Please don't make claims unless you have any evidence to back them up, lol.

there is evidence, Most women who have abortions usually get more than 1 done in their lifetime.=2+. Sorry.

[citation needed]


And irrelevant anyway..
 
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Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009

Because Pro-Choice, implies a CHOICE. Sure, we may not want everyone to go round aborting every single child ever, but we believe people should be allowed the choice should they feel the child would not have a good life.
 
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Because Pro-Choice, implies a CHOICE. Sure, we may not want everyone to go round aborting every single child ever, but we believe people should be allowed the choice should they feel the child would not have a good life.

gotcha, needed to understand what was meant by the strong, thats all =P
 
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Ruh roh.

Also, you wrote contraception, I think you meant conception.
 
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This.

I'm pretty hardcore pro-choice. We should be able to abort babies up to the age of 3.

Okay, maybe inappropriate, but to be honest, I even understand the arguments for having abortions in the last trimester (anyone who follows news in the US might remember all that controversy and the murder of Dr. Tiller this summer).

What the fuck is wrong with your head you immoral fool. What then stops us from killing a 20 year old guy that got hit by a car and is paralyzed and cant move but wants to live.....
Your a fool.
That is all.

in this time u are lucky if ur paralized in older ages u would be left to dead same as whit spartans strongest got to live if a baby was weak or something it got left for dead not saying that we should do that now...
 
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That's a fundamental aspect of abortion; deciding whether or not someone you've never met should be allowed to live. After that, it's not too strange that people involved in the debate do the same thing to people after they start breathing as well.

This is an excellent example (sorry to call you out Keanu ). You've stated the belief that it's better for a child to never be born than to be adopted. But the funny thing is, once people are alive, they tend to want to stay that way no matter how much their life sucks. Yet we're arbitrarily deciding that we wouldn't want to live under those circumstances, so neither should they?

In comparison, we could use this same argument to justify genocide because - often - the quality of life before death of these individuals is dramatically less than what we could consider to be ideal. For example, I imagine Bill Gates wouldn't want to spend the rest of his life as a homeless, penniless refugee of a nameless African war zone. Does that mean that when these people are the targets of wholesale murder, that it's ethically justified? Hell no, those people want to live or they wouldn't have to be killed in the first place, they'd have already done it themselves.

As a continued example, if being raped is so bad why don't we execute rape victims? Obviously their life is ruined and they will never again be able to cope normally in human society; ending their suffering would be doing them a humanitarian favor. Now you're up in arms and probably pissed at me, but really the only difference here is that a fetus isn't breathing yet while a rape victim is.

People point out that the fetus is not yet "alive" so it doesn't really matter, but that's not the point. If ending life was the point you'd also all be strict vegetarians against hunting who tiptoe daintily down the sidewalk so you don't squash any ants (God help the ants UNDER the sidewalk that you might accidentally have squished by shifting the weight of the concrete). It's clear that the point isn't necessarily the existence or nonexistence of life, but of being or nonbeing a HUMAN BEING. This takes the focus away from whether or not the fetus is "alive" or "not yet alive" entirely because it's irrelevant. The only relevant fact is that barring an abortion that fetus WILL LIVE. Precluding that occurrence is, effectively, paramount to murder.

In a legal proceeding, this concept would be included under damages awarded as "pain and suffering" where the plaintiff can make a valid argument that if the defendant had not taken a specific course of action, a future event would have occurred and by negating that future event the plaintiff has suffered considerable injury. In this case, an abortion, with the stakes being the right to live. Abortion DOES NOT fall under speculative damages which are not awarded (which are termed "highly improbable") unless there are complications in the pregnancy.

There's one more point I'd like to make. In a completely hypothetical universe, let's say that every human being is "born" twice, perfectly continuing your "previous life" with all memories intact. If this were the case - where it would be entirely possible that you might face an abortion instead of your "second birth" - would you honestly and sincerely condone abortion, when it might very well preclude the continuance of your own life?

And really what's the difference between a child's first birth, compared to his or her hypothetical second? The difference is that no one alive today is personally threatened by abortion. Regardless of our point of view we'll remain unharmed (barring psychological effects to those involved in an actual abortion); we are not at risk of death. So, logically, the majority of human beings will choose the course of action which most benefits themselves.

Scrap the psychobabble bullshit, abortion exists because we're a bunch of self-centered bigots.
 
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You're right, we are self centred, it's a survival instinct.

Noone who thinks about an abortion wanted to be pregnant, or else they wouldn't want an abortion. But a huge part of the abortion debate, is not even the child, it's the parents, in particular, the mother, who knows what she could have going on that 9 months pregnancy, or if no adoption is available, even longer could affect.

While I do agree that abortions should be an option (which apparently makes me not Pro Life, and therefore, a murderer), I don't think they should be available as readily as they are. At the moment, I'm pretty sure any adult, or minor with consent, can walk in and ask for an abortion and get one. I think they should be more of a prescription deal, you find out you're pregnant, go to the doctors, he examines to see if there's a danger to the mother or child. If not, and the child is still not wanted, preferrably an adoption plan can be made, BUT, if this isn't possible, for whatever reason, social services should be able to check the parents lifestyle and home etc etc, to assess if it is a suitable place to bring up a child.
 
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