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Dividing by Zero

Indivi2you

Posted: September 24, 2009 09:24 pm

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I loved math till 9th grade, then it just sucked.

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Posted: September 24, 2009 10:03 pm

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		QUOTE (Indivi2you @ September 24, 2009 04:24 pm)

		I loved math till 9th grade, then it just sucked.

You should have stuck with it. The stuff you can do with calculus II is practically arcane.

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QUOTE (Eregion2 @ September 24, 2009 10:03 pm)


		QUOTE (Indivi2you @ September 24, 2009 04:24 pm)

		I loved math till 9th grade, then it just sucked.

You should have stuck with it. The stuff you can do with calculus II is practically arcane.

wat

Math isn't fun past geometry IMO. However, I did have a Calculus test today that I was freaking out over, and it was so easy! (It was actually a pre-requisite test, so it was stuff I learned already. But still, I forgot everything from pre-calc so long ago!)

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Posted: September 24, 2009 11:18 pm

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If all numbers that are times or divided by 0 equal 0, then why should it be any different for 0 time 0 or 0 divided by 0.

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		QUOTE (Renoldojr10 @ September 24, 2009 11:18 pm)

		If all numbers that are times or divided by 0 equal 0, then why should it be any different for 0 time 0 or 0 divided by 0.

Your statement is flawed in that any number divided by 0 DOESN'T equal zero. You lose.

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Posted: September 25, 2009 06:28 am

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most of my friends started high school with pre calc =[

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Posted: September 28, 2009 02:17 am

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I was debating over the y/y = 0 or 1 thing for a while but it makes sense now.

That said, let's take it from [DIVIDE BY Y] and (-3)/y = y

[DIVIDE BY Y] then ((-3)/y)/y = 1

or (-3)/y² = 1

[MULTIPLY BY 1²] so (-3) = y²

[SQ. RT] and √(-3) = y

WAIT WHAT THE FUCK

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WG_Keanu

Posted: September 28, 2009 02:27 am

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Ok fuck that shit right off

√(-3) = (√(-3))/1

Multiply that by (√(-3))/(√(-3))

= (-3)/(√(-3))

Which essentially is

x/(√x)

In it's simplest,

1/(√1)

And √1 is obviously 1

so you have 1/1... which is 1.

√(-3) = 1

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Nick

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QUOTE	WG_Keanu)

= (-3)/(√(-3))

Which essentially is

x/(√x)

-3 is not x. Stop making shit up. You are wrong.

And if -3 is made into x, then how is x=1?

You are basically saying -3=x=1, if any of your other math works.

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WG_Keanu

Posted: September 28, 2009 02:46 am

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QUOTE	Lefty2802
	September 28, 2009 03:34 am

QUOTE	WG_Keanu)

= (-3)/(√(-3))

Which essentially is

x/(√x)

-3 is not x. Stop making shit up. You are wrong.

And if -3 is made into x, then how is x=1?

You are basically saying -3=x=1, if any of your other math works.

x is a concept. I did not say -3 = x = 1. I said that the product of (-3)/(√(-3)) is equal to the product of x/(√x) because the equation is identical.

x can be absolutely anything... x could be 498753875 for all I care because the product of (-3)/(√(-3)) would still be equal to the product of 498753875/(√498753875). That's why 1/(√1) works, because it's substitution. It makes the equation easier to solve without changing the question.

If you want proof:

5 / 5 = 1

if 5 was m, then the equation would be

m / m = 1

m could be (-78)

(-78) / (-78) is still equal to 1.

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Fullmetal792

Posted: September 28, 2009 03:11 am

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QUOTE	WG_Keanu @ September 27, 2009 09:27 pm)

Your maffs is wrong.


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		√(-3) = (√(-3))/1 Multiply that by (√(-3))/(√(-3)) = (-3)/(√(-3))

What the hell are you multiplying? Why are you multiplying √(-3) = (√(-3))/1 by (√(-3))/(√(-3)) when you have a 1 on the bottom? The 1 is basically nonexistent if its a denominator, so why go through the trouble of having -3/√(-3) = -3/√(-3) when you can multiply both sides by √(-3) and just have -3=-3? You also neglected to multiply both sides, so no, √(-3) =/= 1, √(-3)=√(-3). Your solution is wrong. You failed algebra somewhere along the line.

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WG_Keanu

Posted: September 28, 2009 03:19 am

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QUOTE	Fullmetal792 @ September 28, 2009 04:11 am)

QUOTE	WG_Keanu
	September 27, 2009 09:27 pm

Your maffs is wrong.


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		√(-3) = (√(-3))/1 Multiply that by (√(-3))/(√(-3)) = (-3)/(√(-3))

My algebra is fine. Imagine them as fractions, not equations.

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Eregion2

Posted: September 28, 2009 03:37 am

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I have no idea how seriously to take this discussion, but:

√(x) = x iff x = 1.

This doesn't work for any other value of x because no other value is its own square root.

Really:

x/√(x) = √(x)

Because the √(x) in the denominator is the same thing as saying "x to the negative one half power." If you bring that up to the "x to the one power" in the numerator and combine their exponents you get "x to the one half power" (multiplying or dividing variables means you add or subtract their exponents).

In terms of exponents with like bases:

x^(1) * x^(-1/2) = x^(1/2)

Because:

(1) + (-1/2) = (1/2)

So even if you COULD deal with √(-3) your line of thought wouldn't have gotten you anywhere.

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Nick

Posted: September 28, 2009 04:02 am

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QUOTE	WG_Keanu @ September 27, 2009 09:46 pm)

QUOTE	Lefty2802
	September 28, 2009 03:34 am

QUOTE	WG_Keanu)

= (-3)/(√(-3))

Which essentially is

x/(√x)

-3 is not x. Stop making shit up. You are wrong.

And if -3 is made into x, then how is x=1?

You are basically saying -3=x=1, if any of your other math works.

x is a concept. I did not say -3 = x = 1. I said that the product of (-3)/(√(-3)) is equal to the product of x/(√x) because the equation is identical.

You said:

(-3)/(√(-3)) = x/(√x) = 1/(√1)

Except you used conclusions to get to that answer.
x cannot be simple. It is a variable that equals a certain number. You set the value of x to -3 and then somehow said that x in it's simplist form is 1. It makes no sense.

You are getting no where but rambling.

Try showing me the reverse of the proof and I might give you a little credit. In other words "What times itself equals the square root of negative three?"

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WG_Keanu

Posted: September 28, 2009 09:36 am

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Fuck this.

√(-3) = √(3i)

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Jayson

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QUOTE	WG_Keanu @ September 28, 2009 07:36 pm)

Fuck this.

√(-3) = √(3i)

√(-3) = √(3)i

its ok, i fixed it

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WG_Keanu

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QUOTE	Jadi Simondz @ September 28, 2009 10:58 am)

QUOTE	WG_Keanu
	September 28, 2009 07:36 pm

Fuck this.

√(-3) = √(3i)

√(-3) = √(3)i

its ok, i fixed it

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Bassism

Posted: September 28, 2009 04:12 pm

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Tell me again how you divide by zero.

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WG_Keanu

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QUOTE	Bassism @ September 28, 2009 05:12 pm)

Tell me again how you divide by zero.

In simple terms, 0 is the concept of nothing. When dividing anything, say X, by 0 you're asking "how much nothing is there in something?" As long as X is a number that's not 0 the answer will always be 0, because there is a value to X.

When X = 100%,
X / 0 = 0

When X ≠ 100%,
X / 0 = ∞ - X

When you're dividing 0 by 0, you're asking "how much nothing is there in nothing?" The answer is infinite, or 100% because nothing is completley nothing, if that makes sense.

0 / 0 = ∞

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ArSeNaLfAn32

Posted: September 30, 2009 02:07 am

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Is this topic serious or not? I can't tell. A number divided by zero is undefined. It is missing in the equation. To get an accurate guess at what something divided by zero is, you can plug in something like 4 / 0.00000001.

Limits will help you understand.

However, if you could divide something by zero, all math would not work. Its just fundamental that you can't divide by it. There's no great explanation, you just have to accept it as true. Its not provable, but its essentially true.

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Jayson

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you can not divide by zero unless your name is chuck norris.

ok glenn?

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1+1=2

problem solved?

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QUOTE	Lil Rewind @ September 30, 2009 10:09 am)

1+1=2

problem solved?

1/0 = 2?

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QUOTE	Lil Rewind @ September 30, 2009 04:09 pm)

1+1=2

problem solved?

I could argue that 1 + 1 = 10.

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