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Posted: December 21, 2009 05:12 pm  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | I honestly dont see the point in targeting combat. We had a 120 average at 100 reqs before. Our average is way higher than our reqs and that is bloody impressive. If we want to get stronger, Target organisation instead. Pair up inexperienced people with experienced ones, like a mentor system. Better yet, require mentors to pass experience down. In wars, the mentors tell the mentees to do as they do. Use a master and apprentice system. Much more effective than war training. --------------------  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 05:36 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: WG_LD Group: Ex-Member Posts: 247 Member No.: 2106 Joined: October 27, 2009 Total Events Attended: 31 | I voted yes because Steve gets us wars where we are completely outleveled and its not his fault, it's OUR fault. We need higher lvls. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 05:48 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | We didnt say 105... --------------------    | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 06:18 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
It was only ~3 months ago that we tried this wasn't it? how short memories do WG members have? are you guys goldfish?  People are complaining about struggling to recruit, and a lack of new members. This will solve neither. --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 06:22 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | Yea, we need some time to discuss it with everyone in staff, including u eugene --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 06:39 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | +105 f2p is so common these days. Its so easy to train these days. Requirement changes do not cause clans to slump, its the policies and decisions leaders take. You cant blame previous slumps based solely on the fact that "WE'VE SEEN WHAT REQUIREMENT RAISES HAVE DONE." If you look back, you will that there are many other contributing factors. Dont blame requirement raises for slumps. Right now, WG definitely numbers, but from what we've seen recently, our quality of fighting has been really low. People getting koed, fail binders, etc all contribute to our failure. More people will always help, but the skills of our fighters needs desperate help. I dont like the fact that you're trying to show us how requirement raises result in failure when its clear from history that was one of the least influential concepts that contributed to our downfall. Since when did this turn out to be less about common good, and more to be a "teaching them a lesson" thing? Comon people. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 07:04 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | BRING BACK OPH!!!!!! --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 07:41 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Maybe Gene you should have read my post about the FA system before you fricking posted this topic. I want to change the reqs as part of an FA system.... i'll type up the plans in detail and put them in lvl 2, gradually moving them downwards to lvl 1 in time. Maybe then you'll listen to the people who want WG to succeed. --------------------    | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 07:48 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | It's nearing the start of 2010 and I think Gene is trying to recreate another DDay to keep up with tradition that towards the end of each year something amazing, sorry, I mean devistating happens to WG lol. And I am quite sure it has happened at the end of each year/start of the new year. ~Abs P.S. - I voted yes on Combat raise, it won't make much of a difference, 100 is very low for Runescape's current generation, although even at 100 Combat, people can make a difference (again thanks to how far Runescape has changed). Back then, 99 was like "omg wow...he's just 1 lvl from 100" but now things have changed, actually they changed quite a while ago, so I'm quite sure things have changed more now. Although there is a chance someone amazing may join but due to the requirements being 105, they can't, however that'll rarely happen. Maybe 103 upon applying, 105 upon Graduating. --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 07:49 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DyIan Group: Emeritus Posts: 1205 Member No.: 1638 Joined: January 15, 2009 Total Events Attended: 107 | I remember what happened last time we did this. I guess we have to take a risk to improve. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 07:54 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sxe_Asher Group: Clan Friend Posts: 276 Member No.: 2130 Joined: November 14, 2009 Total Events Attended: 15 | What about a FA system (100 Combat) with a maximum of 2 months (or maybe less) in which you must get 105 Combat? Also, what about everyone who does not have 105 Combat (or any other requirements that are thought of ~ such as 82 Magic) are still counted as full WG Guardians but they have 1-2 months to attain these levels? -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 07:58 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
This. With 90+ def as well please. --------------------    | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 08:01 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
We've discussed it. Although we're thinking of re-introducing Pro Silentium instead as that achieved better results than OPH. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 08:23 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Don't get shitty at me George. I am making this topic so that the next generation can look back and see that people were saying the same things. There is logic to my actions. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 08:27 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Logic? I'd use a different word. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 08:44 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | 100+ FA 105+ full member is a worthy compromise if you ask me. And the only reason that 105+ has failed in the past imo is because of the slack in recruiting, I mean it's not like we have 9001 people under 105. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 08:46 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: WG_LD Group: Ex-Member Posts: 247 Member No.: 2106 Joined: October 27, 2009 Total Events Attended: 31 | ^you 2 need to stop fighting i think it would b beneficial if we could start winning wars/pkri's anything get our name out there and 105 cmb raise would bring more and more new recruits if we had all those factors at play, if we are talking about making WG better cmb raise is not the answer its training our members how to fucking war/raid we are losing so many lately if we would have won all thsoe and posted topics about them we probably would have picked up some new recruits what it comes down to is WHO WANTS WG TO SUCCEED AND WHO IS WILLING TO FUCKING PRACTICE PVP TO DO SO. If the member are not willing to practice warring/raiding and losing millions of GP to attain the highest lvl of skill in warring possible then we will always fucking fail it comes down to loyalty who is loyal enough to WG to put everything they fucking have into it. and the answer is 1/4 of our ML. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 09:02 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I am sick of having this debate every few months. Have you any idea how I dell after six years. We are not growing because we are,trying out the same experiments and not learning. Every generation tells me its different. I am the single remaining link between all generations and my opinions are getting less valuable every day. Therefore my influence is diminishing. These last two days have been traumatic for me because I have never ever been met with such aggression. Do you know what its like to see your clan render you useless? It is one thing to object me, and another to shut me down. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 09:39 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | I voted Yes. Edit in explanation later -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 09:53 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Outlaw Group: Emeritus Posts: 558 Member No.: 2055 Joined: September 12, 2009 Total Events Attended: 95 | I don't think we should raise requirements for people to join. I think we should raise requirements for full membership. I think that's an easy way to increase our levels.. --------------------  Join date : June 2006 Left : March 2007 Rejoined : October 2009 Original DG Member Completed Goals : 99 Cooking, 99 Fishing, 99 Strength, 99 Attack, 99 Constitution, 99 Defence, 99 Ranged  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 10:01 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | If a level 100 refuses to train to 105 in order to join the clan then I don't want him here. It's all about dedication, not numbers. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 10:17 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Pyroclastic0 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1158 Member No.: 35 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 221 | 120+ please -------------------- Having a fight on the internet is alot like the participating in the special olympics you may win, but you're still retarded
Best pker + most mature summer awards 2011 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 21, 2009 11:59 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 |
Dedication is something you (hopefully) gain after joining WG, not before. Sorry to say but your logic is a little flawed. No one (except extreme cases [See: Keanu]) is 100% dedicated to a clan before they meet the requirements. Now on the other hand, if a level 100 in the clan refuses to train to 105, THAT is a lack of dedication. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 12:03 am | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | 100 to join but to war at least 105. All warring members must be able to train up to help us, not hinder us. Although it is from the past, I remember getting levels like crazy just to do better in a war, now some people don't want to train at all. I personally llike 110 plus. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 12:21 am | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
not gonna lie, the only thing that ever worked was Operation Purple Haze, and that was because 50% of a 200 person clan was involved and actually wanted to progress. Everything after has failed in its purpose. OPH was the ONLY training program that actually worked to decent degree. Why did only OPH work, Im not sure, but it could have something to do with us being a top 10 clan in the RS world in both p2p and f2p already and having some motivation. Currently, there isn't any. I feel sorry for you Gene, I mean......what ignorant faces the current leaders in wg are putting on. Have they not learned from the past? I think everyone should go read WG's history all over again, I wonder how many have actually read it, I wonder how many actually remember it. How many care? Honestly, you think some people would learn from the past. It took me a while, but really? This has gone on way to long. --------------------  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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