Let me try and put this in a different way, my point is this:

You're saying a crime isn't a crime unless you get caught.
Rape is obviously more severe than account sharing but they are both rules that have been set in place.

Your bias towards account sharing is obvious, and your not going to see my point unless you open up your eyes.

Just because 'everyone is doing it', doesn't make it legal.

"Sharing accounts is just something Jagex doesn't want so that everything is fair."

That's why stealing is illegal, why take something that doesn't belong to you when you didn't earn it yourself. Is that fair?
 
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I don't mind if he sees what I said.
 
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(insert triple facepalm pic here)

When have I EVER said the clan needs to be more active with training? You're just making shit up now. Yes, I have voiced my opinions on events and how I think the clan could improve but somehow I managed not to flame the shit out of anyone in the process.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

Let me try and put this in a different way, my point is this:

You're saying a crime isn't a crime unless you get caught.
Rape is obviously more severe than account sharing but they are both rules that have been set in place.

Your bias towards account sharing is obvious, and your not going to see my point unless you open up your eyes.

Just because 'everyone is doing it', doesn't make it legal.

"Sharing accounts is just something Jagex doesn't want so that everything is fair."

That's why stealing is illegal, why take something that doesn't belong to you when you didn't earn it yourself. Is that fair?

Well the severity of it isn't quite the same? The definition of crime: "Crime is the breach of a rule or law for which a punishment may ultimately be prescribed by some governing authority or force." I would like to say that most laws in place are put in place to protect people from harm. In many different ways of course, financial, physical and psychological. Almost always in these instances it is done to another person.

Now compare Runescape. An online multi player rpg. You take it upon yourself and run your own account. You gather your own "items" and "st00f", raise your own stats. Now lets grant that both players are okay with breaking the rules, they know the risks, they know they could both be banned. Now if you were to have someone train your own account or train someone elses and you end up getting your account banned in the process by breaking the rules... Have you in turn caused real significant harm to another person? What if your friend was banned, but not you? Both banned? Both knew the consequences and we grant them as able minded responsible people, would this constitute harm? A loss of a game account. Would they not still be able to talk and play something else? If someone is caused harm by this then it is by there own doing and not a crime at all. The analogy is not a strong one when you compare it to Runescape. Particularly the given circumstances which are true of the people you are thinking of, as in me and Rachel. Can't comment on others
 
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You show me where I directly flamed, and I'll accept any suspensions. All my responses were analytical and thought out. Tweak basically told me to fuck off.

I asked him to go onto mumble to speak like gentlemen and he proceded to flame me and we got no where, so I got off, and don't pretend you were there because Only Jenny, and I were in the room with Tweak.
 
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You show me where I directly flamed, and I'll accept any suspensions. All my responses were analytical and thought out. Tweak basically told me to fuck off.

I asked him to go onto mumble to speak like gentlemen and he proceded to flame me and we got no where, so I got off, and don't pretend you were there because Only Jenny, and I were in the room with Tweak.

Thats fair enough, care to add anything else to the arguement?

Anyway I just want to add that the majority of Council have account shared. Do I need to go into specific evidence or can you take my word for it? So pulling out Rachel as the sole example of this is not very well thought out. So your arguement doesn't make sense logically because we should ban most Council and a lot of our members.

Just like to add I respect your not to violate the rules and bring yourself under the possibility of being banned. Good job on keeping your arguements clean. However I suspect they are not based on any real underlying concern for the clan but a personal one. All my points stand right now unrefuted and your concerns seem at the present moment to be invalid.
 
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You show me where I directly flamed, and I'll accept any suspensions. All my responses were analytical and thought out. Tweak basically told me to fuck off.

I asked him to go onto mumble to speak like gentlemen and he proceded to flame me and we got no where, so I got off, and don't pretend you were there because Only Jenny, and I were in the room with Tweak.

Thats fair enough, care to add anything else to the arguement?

That is your side of the story. His side of the story is that you made him go into mumble so there wouldn't be proof. He claims that you flamed him on mumble and jenny would pick your side because you and her are old school.
 
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Took the words right out of my keyboard mate.

If there is no evidence of what went on in Mumble then just drop it. No use getting pissy about something nobody has any proof about.
 
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Took the words right out of my keyboard mate.

If there is no evidence of what went on in Mumble then just drop it. No use getting pissy about something nobody has any proof about.

Ya no games of he/she said. We'll be getting no where fast and go to 20 pages of rambling flames.
 
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So what do you suggest? We just stop using mumble because are members aren't mature enough to speak to each other "off the record" ,so to speak, and not get ass hurt about it?


And on about the "His side of the story", First that sounds like hes just trying to get Jon and equal punishment as himself, whether he deserves it or not.
And no one made him do anything, It was defiantly his choice to hit the "Connect" button.
And the "jenny would pick your side because you and her are old school"
Being old school has nothing to do with Jenny, as long as I've know her, Jenny has never been biased...Towards ANYONE, Jenny is a very intelligent woman who sees things how it is, and how they happen.

 
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I figured it was more on a don't ask don't tell policy.
 
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I figured it was more on a don't ask don't tell policy.

That was about my understanding of it.
 
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"And Vephy, you agreed with what I said, then went on talking about it in greater detail."

Be specific please, don't make me search my post. Irrelevant unless specific sorry, I'll just assume you didn't edit that in yet. I may have agreed on something but I never agreed with your analogy Moving on to your other points till you explain this one.

"Yes, Criminal Law is all about that, but in this case we are talking about Civil law. Which has to do with property.

Your RS acc is property of Jagex, you agree to this when you create your account, you pay to play the game, with a small amount of capital and your time.

Time is money."

The analogy civil or criminal is irrelevant to the issue. My main point which I think still stands is that if granted both agree to the consequences they are only causing harm to themselves.

However your point that we are borrowing property is not quite the same. There are millions of people that play this game. We invest money to Jagex to play it and they store the data of our character on their servers. There is little capital on 1 part of data in a server of millions. The cost of real capital of lets say a house is hundreds of thousands of dollars. The analogy doesn't work because the severity of the problem is inherent in the issue!

The money is paid already for the amount of time we invest and play into it. If we are banned they still have our money. They lose very little and if you are to move into the irrelevant issue of hacking that is another issue not defined in this argument so don't bring it up please.

Time wasted is an acceptable consequence when you go back to grant that two individuals consent to the possibility of losing their accounts. Or as you phrase it the time spent on their accounts or "time is money" We are still causing harm to our time or money or whatever. In the case of me and Rachel we are actually ok with this and the immediate harm would be short lived at best.

"Well the severity of it isn't quite the same? The definition of crime: "Crime is the breach of a rule or law for which a punishment may ultimately be prescribed by some governing authority or force." I would like to say that most laws in place are put in place to protect people from harm. In many different ways of course, financial, physical and psychological. Almost always in these instances it is done to another person."

Addressed all three issues but not in detail true. I addressed the capital, time and money issue just now in detail since you brought it up. Please don't call my arguments rants, that isn't very objective of what I am trying to tell you. Anyway...

I just want to end in stressing that the severity of the problem is an issue when you use the analogy of real life versus Runescape. One has obvious long lasting consequences, such as jail time for rape or prison sentence for bank fraud or not managing your capital well can leave you homeless and bankrupt, on and on... Many severe examples can be gleamed from real life consequences. On the other end of Runescape you log out and possibly waste your own time and money. That is harm to yourself and is not severe unless you yourself make it so.
 
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