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Posted: January 12, 2010 12:08 amTop
   
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Heh... I saw Two Towers five times in theaters, and Return of the King seven times. Avatar is currently standing at three, so I'll admit LotR still ranks higher for me in terms of ticket expenses (not adjusted for inflation).
 
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I found LoTR boring...but that's just me.
 
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Haven't even seen, it doesn't appeal to me, it's one of those few films that come in the cinema that i think "eh, not too bothered i'll wait until it comes out on blu-ray".

But my mate who works at the cinemas near me said they sold out for 2 weeks straight when it was released so it must be popular.
 
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Well, to all you Avatards, the script for Avatar was written 1 year before Pocahontas, yes...
But the script for Pocahontas was also written before the release of Pocahontas.
It's still older than Avatar.
 
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Posted: January 12, 2010 02:25 amTop
   
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Well, to all you Avatards, the script for Avatar was written 1 year before Pocahontas, yes...
But the script for Pocahontas was also written before the release of Pocahontas.
It's still older than Avatar.

Sooooo... while James Cameron was writing Avatar, he ripped off someone else who was writing a script at the time? At that logic, Pocahontas could have been a rip off of Avatar.
 
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This was of course changed with "No Country for Old Men" which then won an award for being the worst movie of the year.
 
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I have to say that while I enjoyed Avatar for the impressive CGI (and I didn't even see it in 3D, which I imagine would be even better) I thought the story was very very lacking, and was merely a tool to show the new special effects.

I agree with everyone who says its shallow & unorigional. It was the sterotypical 'hero saves people/falls in love/etc. etc.' movie, and while I didn't really link it so strongly with Pocohontas I found it booring all the same. As my friend summarised it: "Avatar was booring, I knew within 30 mins I would be bored the whole time. Story was too simple & the buddhist style stuff was overplayed".

I much prefered Sherlock Holmes, and as a result have been back to see it again (and plan to see the second which will no doubt come out in a few years). I won't be going to see Avatar 2 and 3, unless of course he actually writes something decent this time (which I doubt he will).
 
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Well, to all you Avatards, the script for Avatar was written 1 year before Pocahontas, yes...
But the script for Pocahontas was also written before the release of Pocahontas.
It's still older than Avatar.

Sooooo... while James Cameron was writing Avatar, he ripped off someone else who was writing a script at the time? At that logic, Pocahontas could have been a rip off of Avatar.

Or perhaps realise Pocahontas is a true story from since the discovery of America.
 
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Well, to all you Avatards, the script for Avatar was written 1 year before Pocahontas, yes...
But the script for Pocahontas was also written before the release of Pocahontas.
It's still older than Avatar.

Sooooo... while James Cameron was writing Avatar, he ripped off someone else who was writing a script at the time? At that logic, Pocahontas could have been a rip off of Avatar.

Or perhaps realise Pocahontas is a true story from since the discovery of America.

Not actually true. Pocahontas herself is a real person, and something SIMILAR to the disney movie did happen, but really nothing at all like how they had it play out. For example, the dude was not named John Smith. Believe it was John Ralph but I may be wrong on that one. The disney movie is largely a work of fiction, only slightly based on historical fact.
 
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Well, to all you Avatards, the script for Avatar was written 1 year before Pocahontas, yes...
But the script for Pocahontas was also written before the release of Pocahontas.
It's still older than Avatar.

Sooooo... while James Cameron was writing Avatar, he ripped off someone else who was writing a script at the time? At that logic, Pocahontas could have been a rip off of Avatar.

Or perhaps realise Pocahontas is a true story from since the discovery of America.

Not actually true. Pocahontas herself is a real person, and something SIMILAR to the disney movie did happen, but really nothing at all like how they had it play out. For example, the dude was not named John Smith. Believe it was John Ralph but I may be wrong on that one. The disney movie is largely a work of fiction, only slightly based on historical fact.

This.

It was very historically inaccurate.
 
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Well, to all you Avatards, the script for Avatar was written 1 year before Pocahontas, yes...
But the script for Pocahontas was also written before the release of Pocahontas.
It's still older than Avatar.

Sooooo... while James Cameron was writing Avatar, he ripped off someone else who was writing a script at the time? At that logic, Pocahontas could have been a rip off of Avatar.

Or perhaps realise Pocahontas is a true story from since the discovery of America.

Not actually true. Pocahontas herself is a real person, and something SIMILAR to the disney movie did happen, but really nothing at all like how they had it play out. For example, the dude was not named John Smith. Believe it was John Ralph but I may be wrong on that one. The disney movie is largely a work of fiction, only slightly based on historical fact.

This.

It was very historically inaccurate.

So was Avatar.
 
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What blows my mind is that just because a movie producer is able to make MANY people like his movie it is "over rated". It's a great movie and I went in to it ignoring what people had told me about it, and I loved it. And like some one said, you can watch it again and again. I've seen it twice in theatres, that in itself is very rare.

The object of james cameron was to give an idea and have the viewer live and breathe the life of the characters. This he did very well. If you WERE a good critic you'd know that a film is not ONLY about the plot. Titanic for instance was similar in that there was a guy and a girl + conflict.

I don't care what you have to say because your persuasion techniques of proving this movie is bad is only making it a better movie in my books.
 
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Never watched a movie twice in the theatres lol.

I have seen LOTR hundreads of times at home.
Sat for 12 hours on end watching the behind the scenes of all three films with Peter Jackson.

He is a loveable character, although he's better when he's fat lol#

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Posted: January 12, 2010 06:08 pmTop
   
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Well, to all you Avatards, the script for Avatar was written 1 year before Pocahontas, yes...
But the script for Pocahontas was also written before the release of Pocahontas.
It's still older than Avatar.

Sooooo... while James Cameron was writing Avatar, he ripped off someone else who was writing a script at the time? At that logic, Pocahontas could have been a rip off of Avatar.

Or perhaps realise Pocahontas is a true story from since the discovery of America.

Not actually true. Pocahontas herself is a real person, and something SIMILAR to the disney movie did happen, but really nothing at all like how they had it play out. For example, the dude was not named John Smith. Believe it was John Ralph but I may be wrong on that one. The disney movie is largely a work of fiction, only slightly based on historical fact.

This.

It was very historically inaccurate.

So was Avatar.

Lol, we shall see!
 
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Posted: January 13, 2010 01:21 amTop
   
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Ok this will put the debate to rest.

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http://www.hsx.com/blog/view.php?id=335

Pocahontas year of release: 1995
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0114148/
 
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Ok this will put the debate to rest.

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im Gray asked the first question to James Cameron regarding the genesis of “Avatar”. He replied that the story concept came to him back in early 1995–96, when he created the movie’s treatment and designed the characters.

*gasp*
 
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I much prefered Sherlock Holmes, and as a result have been back to see it again (and plan to see the second which will no doubt come out in a few years). I won't be going to see Avatar 2 and 3, unless of course he actually writes something decent this time (which I doubt he will).

Agreed, I've seen Sherlock Holmes twice, i'm not too keen on Jude Law but the way he played Watson and along side Robert Dowie JR created alot of comical moments. Would definatly watch it again. (sorry i know it was slightly off-topic.) :x
 
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Posted: January 14, 2010 05:45 pmTop
   
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I was thinking about this, and really Avatar could stand on its down as an alternative history to the whole European colonization of the Americas. Namely, a world where the Native Americans kicked us back across the Atlantic. Following that hypothesis, sequels might actually not suck.
 
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QUOTE: Eregion2 January 12, 2010 12:08 am
Heh... I saw Two Towers five times in theaters, and Return of the King seven times. Avatar is currently standing at three, so I'll admit LotR still ranks higher for me in terms of ticket expenses (not adjusted for inflation).

o.O

oh my...

That's a lot of tickets for a movie that is
 
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Actually I might be wrong on that. It might have been 3 ticks for Two Towers and 4 for RotK, for 7 total. Either way Avatar has grossed over $2 billion worldwide and $500 million of that total domestically - they must have done something right. biggrin.gif

PS: Avatar currently stands at 4, thinking of going for a 5th. For the hell of it.
 
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Loved the movie. Unlike some of you, I just go to movies to be entertained assuming that there will be at least some gratuitious violence.
 
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Loved the movie. Unlike some of you, I just go to movies to be entertained assuming that there will be at least some gratuitious violence.

Yeah, but it's also nice if the movie you go to watch isn't a blatiant rip-off of one you've seen years earlier smile.gif
 
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Loved the movie.  Unlike some of you, I just go to movies to be entertained assuming that there will be at least some gratuitious violence.

Yeah, but it's also nice if the movie you go to watch isn't a blatiant rip-off of one you've seen years earlier smile.gif

Show me a movie that's not a blatant ripoff of another movie and I'll show you the first movie ever made. I mean, come on, they all even stole the concept of using MOVING IMAGES. wacko.gif
 
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There's levels of originality.
There's no PURE originality, but Avatar is not even close to original.
 
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