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Posted: September 23, 2008 06:50 pm  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540    |
Ah Rick. What I mean is that the Sniper IRC and TS will only be for during the war. Like only used during a war, so that the snipers can listen to their sniper leader effectively without getting confused by main pile calls. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 07:14 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | George, that still don't get around the "I'm better than you" problem though. As soon as you start doing things like this, you're going to segregate the clan. Trust me, it's been tried before and has done rather poorly. I just don't want to see WG go down this road. If someone wants to snipe, let them, if someone wants to barrage, fine, if someone wants to melee, great...however, the problem lies when you tell people they CAN'T do something because they're just not good enough. It leads to hurt feelings, arguments, fights, flames and can include quitting the clan altogether. I just think this is a bad idea. Let people war how they want. If you got 40 people to a war and they all want to snipe, big deal. The main thing is that you're fighting together, how you want to fight. After all, isn't that what's important? -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 07:24 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | It has nothing to do with "I'm better than you." or anything like that. Whether there's a "Unit" for it or not, there are Snipers during a War. This Unit just helps keep these Snipers organized. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 07:28 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Vince, you really have no idea what something like this will do to a clan. I've seen it happen...here, as a matter of fact. You start weeding people out and you're going to hurt the clan. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 07:37 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | I was here for the Sectors Rick, I know what it does. But this is NOTHING like the Sectors. Basically, just think of it as organization for something that already exists. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 07:46 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | If you're good, you shouldn't need organization. You shouldn't NEED to have your own little clique...it should just happen. The only way I see this working is if you open this up to EVERYONE and not just the so called "best". -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 07:58 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 |
Disagreed. 3 people attacking a person is robes is better than one.. I can't just find people and click them then hope others do. Edit: Also without snipers, how the hell are we going to deal with other peopls snipers, they're not going to give them up. I think my idea is pretty good, even if you shun, me *Sarcasm of course i'm trying to split the clan* Who do you think i am Rick? I just want us to win wars... I'm so sorry for ever trying to help this clan.. It was useless, as always. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: September 23, 2008 08:09 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 |
Snipers NEED to be the highest levels Rick. Non-maxed out snipers tend to get their asses whooped and if someone complains because they're not allowed to snipe, they should really just grow up. Jess isn't trying to "split the clan" she's just offering an idea for people who want to snipe, to learn how. We barely have enough snipers as it is and sniping is one of our weak points in wars. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 08:13 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | I have to disagree with ya rick, a lot of clans (Including top ones) have designated snipers and sniper TS channels, It's really for organization purposes (Believe me lagging and hearing a sniper telling other snipers to get on a specific person does confuse you, it makes you go away from the main pile causing disorganization). If snipers have their own TS channel, then the main pile will have much better organization. Same goes for snipers, they'll know who are they sniping because they won't be hearing location spams/pile spams all the time from the main pile. If people DO brag about being snipers, it shouldn't be a big problem really, sometimes they do it just for laughs and everyone is cool with it. If it gets serious though, then it's them who are going to suffer, because they'll lose respect of lots of people, I don't think it'd reach that state though. On topic: I feel that we should also replace dead snipers all the time, losing our snipers without replacing them could have disastrous effects on our tanker's abilities. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 08:37 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Don't beat yourself up, i think you idea is a very important one and alot of people agreed that it was, myself included. Without Snipers we are basically screwed. Experience and Levels are a huge impact on war's as that was discussed on TS at the meeting. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer   | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 09:09 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Mm. Rick does make a good point, I know what he is thinking, that this will create divisions etc. The point is snipers without training = useless. This group is essentially to know who our snipers are so we don't have to spend ages at the beginning of a war saying "Oi Zlat snipe" and then other people start saying "why can't we snipe?" etc. With this new system if you don't meet the reqs you don't snipe. Simple. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 09:12 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | I agree with the new snipe team as it allows the snipers to 1) operate effectively as they know who to stick on, and 2) stop the other clan from binding effectively. It wont segregrate the clan because its just a snipe unit... --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 09:38 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 | Ill post the list soon guy -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011  http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 11:43 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I think what Rick is saying is that instead of limiting the "Snipe Unit" to those with maxed combat stats and what-not, have the training sessions for them open to everyone. I agree that those sniping during a war should have their own TS channel and IRC just so they can be effective, because if they're seeing the main pile, it's a bit useless. Just don't have requirements for the "Snipe Unit" I mean, if anything at least let people learn how to, because in Full-Outs, the initial phase is pretty crazy and sometimes people can't find the pile until the 3rd or 4th pile so in the meantime, they just run around the map. Instead let them attend snipe training so they can just start attacking hybrids. Also, create the "Unit" at the war. It's useless to create it beforehand, because then when someone doesn't show you start making a big deal about "Oh now, the unit isn't complete" rather than if you'd make the "Unit" at the war, there's no chance of someone being missing. I might post more later. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 23, 2008 11:47 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
This is where the Trainee Squad comes in, those who do not meet the requirments will train with the Sniper Unit until they meet the levels to join they will then be given a spot on the unit. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 01:08 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | I don't think there should be a "training unit". I also don't believe in the "you're not good enough so you can't do it" thing. We're all in this together and one person WANTING to do it is better than three who have the levels but don't want to. I think it should be open to whoever wants to regardless of their combat levels. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 01:24 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Practice and Experience, That's what the training squad is for. People look for experience, and the training squad gives it. Go to any job.. You are given training... Rick your ex-armed forces, you were trained before you left for conflict were you not? The TS for the Sniper unit is the same. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 10:28 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I saw this all as a problem at the meeting and I was the only one there not soooo interested in war to not think things other than winning. Winning wars is great but at what cost. Who is to say that a lvl 116 with alot of snipe experience and long time in the clan is not going to be better then the lvl 125 who doesn't like war and only shows up for attendance. I come to war more to see you all in the game than to tank or whatever. I wanted a female forum and got told it was splitting up the clan. That it disincluded the guys. How is this any different. We have like 7 females I think. Some are in a fat wg clan, should the skinny people feel bad? Rick has been around long enough to see problems coming. Jess is only trying to help wg win wars. Just be careful about how all this is set up. I get ripped on for my level alot and at times it is upsetting. Like when they push it to far and make comments like lower lvls are basicly waste to the clan. Don't put something in place that could potentially damage relationships.  --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 11:12 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 |
Yes Simon, I was trained however, there's a big difference here. THIS IS A GAME!!! Let's not mention the fact that I decided what I wanted to do in the Corps BEFORE I went in. I wasn't told that I couldn't do it because I wasn't trained properly. The requirements that are set forth for you guys are assinine and not very fair. Let's use this as an example: Myst01 is probably one of the best rangers I've seen in the game, however, he's not the right combat level to be a part of your little clique. How is that fair? -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 11:30 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Maybe have tryouts? I don't know. At least give those who don't meet the "requirements" a shot. Host an event where those who want in act as a sniper. Instead of looking for damage splats, look to ability. Do they attack the right people. Are they quick to attack snipers? How are they at shaking off anti-snipe? Obviously the damage is important, but here's something I've learned. When I was living in Cameroon, the UCLA basketball assistant coach came out there to look for new players for the team. You all know that historically, UCLA is pwnage in basketball. However, what they weren't doing was looking for who made the most lay-ups, or the most dunks, or who could do crazy tricks with the ball. They looked for the people who they were sure could improve drastically and become amazing. Why don't we do the same? Don't let people on based on if they hit frequent 20+s, but rather accept them if they are quick to act. Possibly even to take on the role of Anti-Snipe when needed and be able to switch back. Levels aren't everything. For the record, I'm against the "requirements" or "recommended stats" but am for the special TS channels simply for efficiency. Give everyone a FAIR chance to snipe. I still stand by what I said originally that we should just host events that are sniping based and then organize the team while we mass that way we don't get worried if a specific person isn't around. Instead we'd have 20 perfectly good snipers around and no worry because there are many to choose from. Remember, we've had segregation before and it's always led to bad things. Let's not do it again... -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 04:45 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | Guys, just remember that if it does more harm than good, it can always be removed. Give it some time, you haven't seen it put into action yet. If problems do come from the snipe unit, just make a rant post about it. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 06:31 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Making a rant post don't do a dang thing but cause problems. Why even put ourselves in this predicament? Let those who want to snipe do so and those that don't, don't have to. It shouldn't matter if you're lvl 105 or 125, if you want to range, go for it. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 07:26 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | Nahhh this has pissed me right off now, remove the idea.. Or, i'll have to stop coming to wars all together... The arguing is stupid, i was trying to help?? Help for god sake.. Can't you miserable gits see that??  -------------------- 17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: September 24, 2008 07:30 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
There is no need to remove it though, from what I've seen alot of members like the idea. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: September 24, 2008 07:34 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Yeah, sheesh, what are you whining for? We're having a discussion and if you can't handle a little critique here and there, maybe you SHOULDN'T come up with ideas. I'm just letting you know what could and probably will happen if you choose to do this. I'm not saying it's good or it's bad...I could care less cuz I hate wars altogether, however, I've seen this sort of thing many times in the past and it's always ended the same. Again, if you want to have a sniping unit, have a ball, but let anyone who wants to be a part of it, do so and not make silly requirements and alienate those who want to at least give it a shot. -------------------- | ||||
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