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Posted: September 29, 2008 09:05 am  | |||
      IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147    |
It gets bumped every time someone votes...  --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||
Posted: September 29, 2008 03:17 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Bammit someone voted.  --------------------  | ||
Posted: September 29, 2008 04:40 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 |
Yeah, and you posted, which bumps it, you hypocriticalist -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | ||
Posted: September 29, 2008 04:45 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 | That is a very difficult question to find a great answer to. The choice I do not think you could go either way. Picking one or the other can mean its based on POV values where one sees or possibly could see (or could also miss out). We cannot forget that as humans we are not robots, and therefore we will tend to and/or fluctuate in performance. It is not realistic to expect all round good performance - you will have a very drained council functioning for only a period before they are bled dry - it could mean the team and could mean individuals. Then again, there can be slackness (i.e. by choice and not circumstances against one's will). It does happens, although rarely. Trust, reality, promise, good and bad Trust is a very given gift. Why its given means alot to what it means. IF its tagged to particular conditions, expectations will run high, so will disappointments. That's why, when any person runs for council, all resumes written goes a very long way for every promise given. 1 promise given can mean 10 miles to offer. Realistic promise versus realistic expectations. But, how do we gauge how "good" is good? Likewise, how do we gauge what's "bad" enough to be "bad"? Benchmarks? Maybe. But very tricky. I think we should step back and look at both ends. Honor each other to honor all. Council elected should be given the trust for having bestowed the duty. Thereafter, is to support them in order to allow fulfilment of their promise. Not always judge them, we can judge council but we need to also judge ourselves first as members to the community, if we are contributing to the problem or solving it. However, it may not be entirely uncalled for to have raised this issue. Granted, benefit of doubt, they are mostly based on justified reasons. Conclusion I do think we should keep the council on stage and not be kicked due to term open for re-election automatically. Because we need to also take into consideration several other factors, timing, where new members and events may not give good enough grounds for judgment. But, a council can be prone to be purged if there are certain benchmarks that aren't met. Crucial benchmarks. It does not have to be achievements or a promise, but say for example abuse of a certain nature or that certain basic negligence in duties It can get quite intricate to map out, not impossible, it all depends how really necessary it is. We need to be fair to council as humans in trying as to ourselves as humans in voicing. In summary, you should not revolt a King or a Duke just because he/she did not give all/most of that you want, but rather did she/he give you what you need first? If you can define that need only then can you realize what you want may not mean the current council being the reason of your duress. P.S. I did not vote.GL. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama  | ||
Posted: September 29, 2008 04:58 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ``Pete Group: Banned Posts: 913 Member No.: 775 Joined: June 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 49 |
Oh, for the win.  Very nice post by valdremia. =o -------------------- Mikel Arteta  Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||
Posted: September 29, 2008 05:22 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Cory|Melchior Group: Ex-Member Posts: 240 Member No.: 527 Joined: April 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 5 | I like the positional idea. Have everyone rotated when they step down so it's not an overwhelming transition. Title each of the positions. So, like now, Pos.1 could be abs, Pos.2 could be dale, Pos.3 could be Rob... etc. However, it still has it's draw backs. If you went in order of 1 2 3, then the person who is one might not be revoted in, and the person who is 3 will last a long ass time. I like the idea of switching, because I think a lot of us aspire to be higher ranked, however, with the positions essentially full at the moment, changes cannot occur because it would just be ridiculous to have more council/staff than actual members. I voted yes, but, kinks would still have to be resolved. It is obviously still young in the development process. -------------------- Kingdom of Edgeville  | ||
Posted: September 29, 2008 06:17 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Voted Yes. More democratic and less dictatorship(not saying any of you are dictactors) but yea, it's a good idea IMO. It'll get people more involved and they will definitely try harder if they have something to work for. Btw, it's 50/50! O_O -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=-  W I N N I N G | ||
Posted: September 29, 2008 10:06 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Woolachee Group: Clan Friend Posts: 165 Member No.: 688 Joined: May 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 22 | i think that the leadership should take the responsibility of pruning and activity of the council, and give everyone an equal chance to be elected by acknowledging and comparing each active members abilities, instead of just choosing who is the most popular through the clan. there is such a thing as a good dictatorship, its called imperialism, and it works in such a crude community as the runescape one. --------------------   | ||
Posted: September 30, 2008 01:14 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Useph Group: Guest Posts: 267 Member No.: 125 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 29 | I voted no because unlike the real world, there isn't really anything in something like a Runescape clan that would require leadership to change periodically. In real governments, a leader tends to get too absorbed in their power, becomes corrupt, or a whole bunch of other things if he serves for too long. In a Runescape Clan Council, I doubt things like that would happen. And if they did, there are the other council members to keep them in check. Take notice how in the United States goverment, only the President faces strict 4 year leadership terms while, say, the Supreme Court, a council of people can serve as long as they are physically and mentally able to perform their jobs. (The usually serve until they die). -Useph1 -------------------- Goals 78/99  | 99/99  | 92/99  | 94/99  | 82/99  | 99/99  | 77/99  mIRC Guru  WG's #1 Pyromaniac | ||
Posted: September 30, 2008 01:59 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | The reason I'm partially in favor of something kind of like this is because I think our council get bleed dry and don't quit until they're practically in a coma. I haven't noticed any serious issues of abuse with the council at all, but I do think they're generally either 1) bummed out, 2) burnt out, or 3) tripping along to the status quo. Not to say they're not doing their jobs, it's just that that's what the council's become: a job. A boring, disinteresting, and monotonous string of events that never ends. Something has to get shaken up or we'll all get stagnated into acting like pensive grown-ups instead of having fun playing a game. 
Thoughts? -------------------- | ||
Posted: September 30, 2008 04:27 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: karel Group: Emeritus Posts: 1021 Member No.: 57 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 89 | If it wasn't for terms, Bush could stay as president for longer -------------------- Sig? | ||
Posted: September 30, 2008 08:57 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | When does the poll close, Gene?  -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||
Posted: October 1, 2008 04:01 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Well, 68 votes, and we have: 33 guardians, 14 higher guardians, 12 elite guardians, 5 raid leaders, 4 event leaders, 2 founders, and 4 council for a total of 74, not counting the 45 Emeritus if they've been voting. 68 out of 119 is about 57% so if this just stays open a little while longer nearly everyone would have voted and it won't have to have an end date anyway.  -------------------- | ||
Posted: October 26, 2008 10:48 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | i tihnk no bad can come of this, so surely we can give it a run, starting with these new council members --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
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