Emeritus members may have been lazy for ages, but they did so while taking a risk knowing that the rules could have been enforced any time. Me enforcing them now has little to do with ethics. People will just be pissed that they can no longer evade the activity requirement.
 
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I think our internal problems come from things like this. We lose one war and everyone goes emo about it, and I can understand the enthusiasm for warring, but what I do not understand is the insatiable need to find a scapegoat in the emeritus and skilling populations of this clan.

Dare I say it, we lost because SA are better than us! What did you expect to happen when we stop having as many wars, sure they feel more important to our clan, but we lose our edge.

I feel like this clan is on a teeter-totter and for some reason no one else sees it. We go back and forth between emphasizing warring and emphasizing community, and if our warring and recruiting goes well in about a month or two when the clan is inundated with new recruits who feel little loyalty to WG and will start to leave at the first sight of our warring capabilities stalling, I think you will see some leader make a post about how we need to concentrate on our community again. But by that time we will already have lost many good skiller and emeritus members.

So I would ask WG members where they want this clan to go; do we want to be a top warring/pking clan or the best overall clan with the best community in runescape. If we want to be a top warring/pking clan it is going to come at a price. The internal membership of this clan will change, with emeritus members will leaving or being kicked and in their place will come members whose loyalty lies not with WG or the WG family, but with our status as an elite warring clan. If we want to be the best overall clan with the best community, this is a big step backwards.
 
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How are the warriors being shat on by the skill-oriented members and Emeritus? I see it as the complete opposite. I'll leave it at that because this isn't about the conflict between all that stuff.

Here is Tabs' reason for leaving:

Both Zlatan and Dale may have left because of the lack enthusiasm towards warring as reasons for their departure, but with that came these reasons:

Dale:

Zlatan:

Funny how they both cite the drama and attitude of the members.

Also, about the Emeritus thing...they're retired. They keep their rank because of their prior service to WG. They didn't just come and go. They came, they did something, and then had to leave, but didn't want to abandon WG. They show their face on the forums and in the IRC. Why? Because they are inactive on RS. Ex-member is for people who still play but have left WG...Emeritus just lost taste for the game, not the clan that was a major part of it.

 
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Both Zlatan and Dale may have left because of the lack enthusiasm towards warring as reasons for their departure, but with that came these reasons:

Dale:

Zlatan:

Funny how they both cite the drama and attitude of the members.

Also, about the Emeritus thing...they're retired. They keep their rank because of their prior service to WG. They didn't just come and go. They came, they did something, and then had to leave, but didn't want to abandon WG. They show their face on the forums and in the IRC. Why? Because they are inactive on RS. Ex-member is for people who still play but have left WG...Emeritus just lost taste for the game, not the clan that was a major part of it.

We have 45 emeritus, I see about 10 at max posting at all. So where are they? They don't deserve emeritus, they deserve ex-member, emeritus shows you're still interested. It's not that hard to make a post. If they haven't lose taste for the clan, where are they? Hiding in some secret emeritus only area?

P.S. Look at the topics in Suggestions, Rants, Compliments, many of the hot topics are the very thing I speak of. In face this thread is the same thing, we can't have any fun or try to improve warring without everyone screaming bloody murder.
 
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July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011

You've already broken that rule.

But anyway, i agree with what's been said.

I said I wouldn't ask people to do it, and I haven't.

Can you guarantee that?

Cause i don't think you can. I know about a few instances even in one of the most latest wars you've broken that.

If you set rules, stick with them.
 
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17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09

Emeritus members may have been lazy for ages, but they did so while taking a risk knowing that the rules could have been enforced any time. Me enforcing them now has little to do with ethics. People will just be pissed that they can no longer evade the activity requirement.

Sorry for being lazy sir, i only quit RS. However, I will gladly take the Ex-Member rank.
 
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Mikel ArtetaTim Cahill
Nothing But The Best

This statement is obviously aimed at people from Europe. American war times are almost always between 2 pm and 4 pm on a Saturday. Some people play Runescape during this time but for others, Saturday is the one day of the week where people don't need to worry about anything, and spend time with their friends in real life. Runescape is fun and all but I certainly won't ditch my friends for coming to some war, especially when it becomes a chore instead of an act of fun.

And even worse than this, expecting people to come to stupid Matched Opts wars, where every single time Wg pulls more people than the other clan and then I'm forced to leave because of my lower combat level.

"Then you should go train your combat Useph1."

No, I simply won't make any effort to come to matched opts wars.

From Change Six

I won't ever give out my mobile phone number, not to mention I wouldn't want to be receiving SMS messages when I'm away from my computer to come home and come to a war. Again, Runescape should never be a chore, stop turning it into one.


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Don't get me wrong in this post, I like wg. The community is amazing, people are nice and funny, and I'm proud to be a member. However, the thing I don't like is how seriously people are starting to take wars. And regardless of what you say, skilling is dieing. Even something like Pro Silentium, it's totally optional and many people simply choose to not participate in it.

This month I reached tier two in ranged (maybe I'll get to tier three), and tier two in hitpoints. That took many hours of training and I did it voluntarily. Many people, with ranged levels below 75, are simply choosing to not do Pro Silentium. I suggest that instead of worrying about wars so much maybe we should make some part of skilling mandatory as well. Example: reach at least tier one in a skill unless you are 90+ in that skill.

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And speaking of ranged, one reason I dislike wars is because we can't use ranged in them. Really not cool.
 
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This statement is obviously aimed at people from Europe. American war times are almost always between 2 pm and 4 pm on a Saturday. Some people play Runescape during this time but for others, Saturday is the one day of the week where people don't need to worry about anything, and spend time with their friends in real life. Runescape is fun and all but I certainly won't ditch my friends for coming to some war, especially when it becomes a chore instead of an act of fun.

And even worse than this, expecting people to come to stupid Matched Opts wars, where every single time Wg pulls more people than the other clan and then I'm forced to leave because of my lower combat level.

"Then you should go train your combat Useph1."

No, I simply won't make any effort to come to matched opts wars.

From Change Six

I won't ever give out my mobile phone number, not to mention I wouldn't want to be receiving SMS messages when I'm away from my computer to come home and come to a war. Again, Runescape should never be a chore, stop turning it into one.


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Don't get me wrong in this post, I like wg. The community is amazing, people are nice and funny, and I'm proud to be a member. However, the thing I don't like is how seriously people are starting to take wars. And regardless of what you say, skilling is dieing. Even something like Pro Silentium, it's totally optional and many people simply choose to not participate in it.

This month I reached tier two in ranged (maybe I'll get to tier three), and tier two in hitpoints. That took many hours of training and I did it voluntarily. Many people, with ranged levels below 75, are simply choosing to not do Pro Silentium. I suggest that instead of worrying about wars so much maybe we should make some part of skilling mandatory as well. Example: reach at least tier one in a skill unless you are 90+ in that skill.

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And speaking of ranged, one reason I dislike wars is because we can't use ranged in them. Really not cool.

It should never be a chore to attend a war. If a warring time is bad for you, I'm now monitoring that and changing some times around to see what works better. And really, if you are consistently getting cut, you don't need to attend matched wars.

This particular quote here is a real insult to me.
I'm working hard to make this clan successful and you'd rather not come than train. I said above that you don't nee to come, but that doesn't mean you should just refuse to train.

If you don't want to give out your number, that's fine. I respect peoples' privacy. Lets hope it doesn't get to that awkward stage where I'll have to ask for it. And besides its not that bad. They are reminders, not orders. If I message you about a war and you simply can't attend, delete it and forget it. There are just some people that may have forgotten, or need a wake-up alarm.

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Finally, we are FORCED to take wars seriously, and there's no other choice.

1. Wars influence our recruitment more than skilling events
2. Wars influence our reputation
3. Our morale hinges on wars as well

Get rid of the warring vs skilling attitude. It's killing this clan.
 
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