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^This
 
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What they say is true, though. Anesthesia in the way of being put to sleep is NOT necessary for having teeth removed. Novocaine, however, is.

I've had wisdom teeth removed too, and I was awake for the whole thing. Bein out for it isn't necessary, and the Insurance company had every right to say so. it's fact, and I wouldn't be surprised if it says somewhere in their policy that this type of anesthesia is not covered.


Now, why bring the military into this? Honestly. If conservatives are so willing to throw money at the military for this war, then why haven't the liberals, who are now in power, removed our toops from said war? The government can make up excuses about how difficult or lengthy it would be, but it's just fillibuster. We can have all of our troops back in the States before Christmas.

Here's a fact-Physicians are REQUIRED by law to reat a patient in a life-threatening condition. For example, a little girl having siezures in the emergency room. If this story in Moore's story is actual fact, then what that hospital did was illegal. They aren't required to trat the condition comprehensivel, but they ARE required by LAW to stablize a patient in an emergency condition.

reference:

Access to an emergency room for uninsured patients does not qualify as access to coordinated care. While physicians are required to stabilize patients in an emergency, they are not required to treat the condition comprehensively. 13

13. Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, 42 U.S.C. 1395dd, www.emtala.com.

This I found on NCHC's website.


Contrary to what you may think based on my previous statements, I do believe in tax brackets. Someone that makes 250k a year shouldn't be taxed as little as someone who makes just over 20k a year, such as myself.
 
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What they say is true, though. Anesthesia in the way of being put to sleep is NOT necessary for having teeth removed. Novocaine, however, is.

I've had wisdom teeth removed too, and I was awake for the whole thing. Bein out for it isn't necessary, and the Insurance company had every right to say so. it's fact, and I wouldn't be surprised if it says somewhere in their policy that this type of anesthesia is not covered.


Now, why bring the military into this? Honestly. If conservatives are so willing to throw money at the military for this war, then why haven't the liberals, who are now in power, removed our toops from said war? The government can make up excuses about how difficult or lengthy it would be, but it's just fillibuster. We can have all of our troops back in the States before Christmas.

Here's a fact-Physicians are REQUIRED by law to reat a patient in a life-threatening condition. For example, a little girl having siezures in the emergency room. If this story in Moore's story is actual fact, then what that hospital did was illegal. They aren't required to trat the condition comprehensivel, but they ARE required by LAW to stablize a patient in an emergency condition.

reference:

Access to an emergency room for uninsured patients does not qualify as access to coordinated care. While physicians are required to stabilize patients in an emergency, they are not required to treat the condition comprehensively. 13

13. Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, 42 U.S.C. 1395dd, www.emtala.com.

This I found on NCHC's website.


Contrary to what you may think based on my previous statements, I do believe in tax brackets. Someone that makes 250k a year shouldn't be taxed as little as someone who makes just over 20k a year, such as myself.

I agree the Democrats should bring the troops home from war, and that it hasn't been done makes me mad.

Yes, doctors are required to treat a patient, insurance or not, if they are in a life threatening situation, but these people should not be forced to wait until they're 5 minutes from death to be treated.

Oh sorry somebody broke your leg, sorry that won't kill you come back later.

"While physicians are required to stabilize patients in an emergency, they are not required to treat the condition comprehensively. 13"

Not quite sure why you posted the above part, as it supports what I'm saying. These people are stabilized and then have to leave in a certain amount of time left to go back to the streets where they will inevitably die or get sick soon enough again because the underlying condition was not treated.

In fact in Sicko there is footage of a hospital releasing an uninsured patient who seemed to be in some sort of daze out onto the street with no help and wearing only a hospital gown. Luckily, a watchdog group who keeps a watch on that hospital looking for when they do this saw her, and brought her to their facilities for treatment.

A cap would help people who have insurance and then lose it when they get a serious medical condition, I agree, but it would do nothing to help the people who have pre-existing conditions and are denied, or the around 40 million Americans who simply can't afford health care in the first place, pre-existing condition or not. You're assuming the government would treat healthcare like a business as private insurance does now, and I'll use Colin's examples to show that's not true.

The post office, schools, police, libraries, most museums, national parks, fire department, so on and so on are all government run, yet they don't try to make a profit off it do they. They merely ask for the taxes to support it and then use them to do exactly that. Most charges such as entering a museum or national park are not for profit, but purely for upkeep of the area and staff salaries.
 
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Right, why should YOU pay for me?

Well, you know what, the police have never REALLY come to my house and helped me out, so I'd like to keep that money. There are MANY roads and highways I DO NOT use, so I'd like that back, thanks. Fire Department? Never had any situation where I've needed them, so thanks for that back. What else? National Defense, you know what, they let me down once, so I'd like that back because it seems like a waste. All those national parks that are kept up by the government, I'd like my money back because I don't go see them. The same with museums.

But I suppose shelling out money for THOSE things is alright?

Honestly, it's not even about people bumming around asking for free healthcare. The people that we're most concerned about are the people that DID work their ENTIRE LIVES and then get FUCKED OVER by greedy healthcare companies because it's cheaper to them if that man or woman dies.

This is for the people that DO have jobs and are forced to pay EVERYTHING out of pocket.

Ever plan something with someone and then have them bail at the last minute? Maybe planning a party and they're supposed to bring the drinks but they don't even show up? You'd be angry because your party just got fucked over. Now think about that, but multiply it. Instead of having to shell out a few bucks for some sodas, it's your entire life savings.

Yeah, let's just fuck over the people that REALLY need help.

NO HANDOUTS!
MORE MURDER!

Checkmate.

And to add on to that, from my post earlier in this thread...

Public transportation.
Public bathrooms.
Public libraries.
The postal service.
Etc...

Can you show me where is says i pay taxes for libraries and bathrooms? Pretty much I don't think my hard earned money should be taken to benefit people that dont make their own.

As I said, elderly/disabled people and kids without parents who can adequately pay should recieve help like this. I don't care have taxes taken for that. Same goes for a government pay out for a cancer patient, for example.

But someone with a broken bone goin to the emergency room for a cast? No. People's perscriptions when they could either foot the bill themselves or use regular insurance? no.

The whole bit about the police and fire department is a good point, but their salaries are by state a the most, am I right? State taxes are by far less than federal taxes. We're talkin about extra FEDERAL taxes here.


And what exactly do you mean by national defense? Hopefully you mean Homeland Security.


Can you show me some tpye of tax records for bathrooms, libraries, parks and museums pls? Sounds a bit bogus.

Most everything public is paid for by taxes, either at the local, state, or federal level.

And federal police officers, homeland security, secret service, military, it's all paid for with federal tax dollars. National parks = national tax dollars. State parks = state tax dollars. You get the idea. Libraries are usually local. Same with bathrooms.

Just clearing some things up here.


And I still don't understand your position. Put yourself in other peoples' shoes. What if both you and your spouse got laid off and neither of you could find another job. And with the economy in the shape it's in, many people are in this situation. Now let's say you get into a car accident and break a few bones, puncture a lung, and have internal bleeding. What the fuck are you gonna do? You can't pay for the medical bills. You have no job and therefore no insurance. You can't possibly work. Are you saying that people should just be like "Oh well...I guess I'm fucked"?
 
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Right, why should YOU pay for me?

Well, you know what, the police have never REALLY come to my house and helped me out, so I'd like to keep that money. There are MANY roads and highways I DO NOT use, so I'd like that back, thanks. Fire Department? Never had any situation where I've needed them, so thanks for that back. What else? National Defense, you know what, they let me down once, so I'd like that back because it seems like a waste. All those national parks that are kept up by the government, I'd like my money back because I don't go see them. The same with museums.

But I suppose shelling out money for THOSE things is alright?

Honestly, it's not even about people bumming around asking for free healthcare. The people that we're most concerned about are the people that DID work their ENTIRE LIVES and then get FUCKED OVER by greedy healthcare companies because it's cheaper to them if that man or woman dies.

This is for the people that DO have jobs and are forced to pay EVERYTHING out of pocket.

Ever plan something with someone and then have them bail at the last minute? Maybe planning a party and they're supposed to bring the drinks but they don't even show up? You'd be angry because your party just got fucked over. Now think about that, but multiply it. Instead of having to shell out a few bucks for some sodas, it's your entire life savings.

Yeah, let's just fuck over the people that REALLY need help.

NO HANDOUTS!
MORE MURDER!

Checkmate.

And to add on to that, from my post earlier in this thread...

Public transportation.
Public bathrooms.
Public libraries.
The postal service.
Etc...

Can you show me where is says i pay taxes for libraries and bathrooms? Pretty much I don't think my hard earned money should be taken to benefit people that dont make their own.

As I said, elderly/disabled people and kids without parents who can adequately pay should recieve help like this. I don't care have taxes taken for that. Same goes for a government pay out for a cancer patient, for example.

But someone with a broken bone goin to the emergency room for a cast? No. People's perscriptions when they could either foot the bill themselves or use regular insurance? no.

The whole bit about the police and fire department is a good point, but their salaries are by state a the most, am I right? State taxes are by far less than federal taxes. We're talkin about extra FEDERAL taxes here.


And what exactly do you mean by national defense? Hopefully you mean Homeland Security.


Can you show me some tpye of tax records for bathrooms, libraries, parks and museums pls? Sounds a bit bogus.

Most everything public is paid for by taxes, either at the local, state, or federal level.

And federal police officers, homeland security, secret service, military, it's all paid for with federal tax dollars. National parks = national tax dollars. State parks = state tax dollars. You get the idea. Libraries are usually local. Same with bathrooms.

Just clearing some things up here.


And I still don't understand your position. Put yourself in other peoples' shoes. What if both you and your spouse got laid off and neither of you could find another job. And with the economy in the shape it's in, many people are in this situation. Now let's say you get into a car accident and break a few bones, puncture a lung, and have internal bleeding. What the fuck are you gonna do? You can't pay for the medical bills. You have no job and therefore no insurance. You can't possibly work. Are you saying that people should just be like "Oh well...I guess I'm fucked"?

Damn lazy fucks!

/s

Seriously though, the part I love the most about people who argue against nationalized healthcare because they don't want their money going to lazy people is when it comes down to the "excepts".

Well of course I'd like to help out a dying person who did in fact work their entire life but was forced out of their job and is unable to pay the medical bills because Social Security and Pension and life savings doesn't cover it, but because they lived an honest life prior to this point, it's fine.

Of course I'd like to help the kid that has some fucked up disease and requires shit expensive treatment and both his parents are working multiple jobs to help pay.

Of course this and of course that.

The fact of the matter is, it's not like the people collecting your taxes are going to be like "Oh lets use this guys money for that bum over there."

I mean, I'm no fan of handing out money to people that don't deserve it but when a guy might die, regardless of what he's done during his life...and my few dollars could help save a life? This is where human decency comes into play. Are you really that GREEDY that you're willing to sacrifice someone's life for a few extra bucks a year?

I mean seriously, like Colin said put yourself in their shoes. You're horribly ill and you're unable to pay. Instead of living, you're going to die so that all those people can go have a nice dinner.
 
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Yeah I did that. NHS took 3 hours to figure out it was broken.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

You should watch the movie (if you haven't already, I don't know).

In it they show a clip of an American doing something at Abbey Road (spot of one of, if not THE most famous Beatles album covers) and fucking up and needing medical care. This is in Britain.

Keep in mind this guy is a foreigner.

Your answer would be, "Yeah...you're shit out of luck here dude."

That sounds really cool.

What really gets me is all the talk about more taxes is insane. Yes it's going to be a larger cut from your spending. But it's not like they're going to up it $15K.

Apparently money is more valuable to some than human decency.
 
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They're the same people that log out of clan fights to save their pixels.
 
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Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009

They're the same people that log out of clan fights to save their pixels.

I lol'd.
 
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1) South Carolina representative Joe Wilson said that.
2) Because of his outburst, I have a feeling that the Dems will pull together to actually pass this bill now, lmfao...
3) YOU LIE!!!
4) ???
5) Profit!

I watched the speech live for Gov't class, I held back my laughter when everyone started booing when Wilson yelled out "YOU LIE!" We also made a joke like that in class the next day... Sadly, only 3 people laughed...
 
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Thanks Sam for an awesome job and an awesome wait!