I like this man.
 
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London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee
Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader
Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008

We've discussed it.
Although we're thinking of re-introducing Pro Silentium instead as that achieved better results than OPH.

not gonna lie, the only thing that ever worked was Operation Purple Haze, and that was because 50% of a 200 person clan was involved and actually wanted to progress.

Everything after has failed in its purpose. OPH was the ONLY training program that actually worked to decent degree.

Why did only OPH work, Im not sure, but it could have something to do with us being a top 10 clan in the RS world in both p2p and f2p already and having some motivation. Currently, there isn't any.

I feel sorry for you Gene, I mean......what ignorant faces the current leaders in wg are putting on. Have they not learned from the past? I think everyone should go read WG's history all over again, I wonder how many have actually read it, I wonder how many actually remember it. How many care?

Honestly, you think some people would learn from the past. It took me a while, but really? This has gone on way to long.

Once again, no up2date emertius, posting on a topic, that they have no idea about. You all need to stop living in past dreams..and see where the clan is at at the minute.

we have like..4 members under 105...thats nothing...we are basically 105+ anyways..its not going to affect us.
 
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Amen
 
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Click me if you need cheering up - I guarantee happiness will blossom

I am sick of having this debate every few months. Have you any idea how I dell after six years. We are not growing because we are,trying out the same experiments and not learning. Every generation tells me its different. I am the single remaining link between all generations and my opinions are getting less valuable every day. Therefore my influence is diminishing. These last two days have been traumatic for me because I have never ever been met with such aggression. Do you know what its like to see your clan render you useless? It is one thing to object me, and another to shut me down.

Yea! The reason why we havent been growing is because we keep implementing requirement raises that fail.

Thats the ONLY reason I can possibly think of.

OPEN YOUR EYES. Requriement raises didnt bring WG down. The reason why slumps occur is drama, leaders who arent willing to act and adapt according to the clans needs. Look back; fights, inactive leaders, or lack of change/constant failure is the reason why we slumped. NOT requirement changes.

Stoke basically summed it up. We NEED to change with the times. Adapt or DIE - a ton of formerly prestigeous clans this year have already dropped off the radar.

Nick brings up an interesting point; sure we can have all the levels and numbers, but our warring skills are absolutely atrotious atm. You have a bunch of generally high leveled vets, and a bunch of people who just...

OPH did work, despite what anyone says. Our combat average climbed several levels if I remember correctly. I personally went from ~105-118f2p from OPH. The combat academy also helped me personally somewhat.

Also, please stop patronizing us. I hate seeing logical arguements end up with "I have more experience than you."
 
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Ex-WG Warlord

"It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations."

This, I like. Even if not in the exact same way, I prefer if we didn't force our members to train, but rather persuade them to WANT to train. A reward system like what was suggested above is one example - training = better clan rank = more respect = better opportunities and prospects in WG for the member.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

Because that's going so well right :|
 
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^ This is so true.
 
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"Journeys are what brings us happiness,
Not the destination."

~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~

Makes a good point. Recruitment needs to improve, but I honestly don't think it ever will. Until people see first-hand how recruitment can benefit, they are too scared to waste their time with it. Hell, even I was one who could care less about recruitment. I feel as if I've changed though, and if I were active in WG I would be trying to recruit a little harder.

Many of us have seen the effort Moose put into recruitment, and how many members that brought in. Imagine if 5 members did that? 10? 15? If just 15 members recruited 4 others, we'd double in size. If all 60 of us recruit two people, we'd be a powerhouse as far as numbers go. The problem is creating some kind of incentive for recruiting someone. Unfortunately the only incentives that work well are some kind of IRL or in-game reward, which usually puts a strain on the person handing out these rewards..

Someone mentioned earlier that ranks could be given out with 1) Combat levels and 2) Seniority. Why not include both of those, as well as including recruitment requirements? Those who wish to attain guardian, for example, must be level 105 and in WG for 2-4 weeks. Higher, be level 108, WG for 3+ months, and recruit one person into WG (said person must still be in WG. If they left, recruit someone else). Elite guardian can be a special handout with some concrete requirements as well as some evidence of dedication (Concrete could be WG for 8 months? 110+ combat. Dedicated could be: X number of people recruited into WG, above average attendance, preparedness for raids/wars).

Ranks, IMO, are the best incentive for anything. Guardian score has ZERO influence as far as I can tell. It doesn't do anything for you. The only thing is, I HATE the idea of ranking people by their combat level. However, combat level does show some kind of dedication and work towards this clan. Plus, it isn't the ONLY basis of your promotion, it is just one part of it. I feel that is enough to justify its use in promotions.
 
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