The Wilderness Guardians

The Wilderness Guardians (IPB1 Forums Archive)

Welcome Guest

. : News : .	. : Message of the Week : .
You are currently viewing an archive of the Wilderness Guardians clan's IPB1 forums. These forums were used by WG from 2008 to 2011, and now exist for historical and achival purposes only. For the clan's current forums, CLICK HERE.	"You are a Wilderness Guardian. That northern wasteland; that land of blood, desolation and death is your dominion. Tonight we are going home." ~His Lordship
	War Alert: OFF	Raid Alert: OFF
	PM a WG Official	Search:

ignore this.

Bambaleo

Posted: March 1, 2009 12:47 am

IRC Nickname: Bam
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 2762
Member No.: 131
Joined: January 20, 2008
Total Events Attended: 111

long story, just ignore this, i will delete it tomorrow morning, after i've printed it out.

Ein Gasantrieb ist ökologisch und ökonomisch sinnvoll. Im Zuge der Diskussionen um die CO2-Problematik nehmen hier auch Flüssiggas und Erdgas eine herausragende Rolle ein. Ein erhebliches Potenzial zur Reduzierung der Schadstoffemissionen wird dem Gasantrieb zugeschrieben, dem weiter steigende Marktanteile zu wünschen wären, denn z.B. ein mit Autogas betriebenes Fahrzeug produziert 10–15 Prozent weniger CO2 als ein Benziner. Erdgas dagegen, besteht bis zu 98% aus Methan, das heißt viele andere für die Umwelt schädliche Stoffe wie Schwefel, Ruß oder Benzol, fallen dabei auch weg.

Das heißt aber noch lange nicht dass Gasantrieb die Natur völlig unberührt lässt. Ein Auto angetrieben mit Erd- oder Autogas wird trotzdem schädliche Emissionen ausstoßen, auch wenn diese im Vergleich zu einem Diesel- oder Benziner ziemlich gering sind. Genau wie bei den herkömmlichen Kraftstoffen benötigt man für die Herstellung von Autogas Öl, da es eigentlich ein Gasgemisch aus Propan und Butan ist. Dem zu Folge wird die Umwelt nicht nur beim Fahren von Gas-angetriebenen Autos, sondern auch bei der Förderung von Öl sowie Erdgas.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sich ein Gasfahrzeug zuzulegen und somit die Gasindustrie zu fördern ist nicht nur ökologisch sondern auch ökonomisch sehr sinnvoll. Ökonomisch betrachtet kann das Geschäft mit dem Gasantrieb für den Hersteller sowie für den Verbraucher äußerst vorteilhaft sein.

Die Unternehmer verdienen natürlich durch die Umrüstung von Fahrzeugen. Die Kosten können sehr stark variieren. Die Umrüstung eines Erdgasfahrzeuges geht von 3800 bis 4000€, Autogas dagegen nur von 2500 bis 2800€, was aber eigentlich gar nicht so schlimm ist, da bei einer Umrüstung bzw. Kauf eines umweltfreundlichen Autos, kann man auf Einmalpremien hoffen die, die Umbaukosten minimieren.

Später wenn man sich entscheidet das Auto zu verkaufen, merkt man dass es da noch ziemlich viel rauszuholen gibt. Mit Autogas bzw. Erdgas läuft der Motor viel ruhiger und die Fahrt ist umso mehr komfortabler, so aber wird auch der Motor sehr stark geschont, dazu kommen noch die eingebaute Technik und der niedrige Verbrauch. Dadurch steigt der Wiederverkaufswert des Fahrzeuges.

Gleich nach den Umbaukosten kommt das große Problem mit dem Tankstellennetz. Heute gibt es ungefähr 800-Erdgas- und 3000-Autogastankstellen, im Vergleich zu 15.000 Benzintankstellen. So entsteht ein Teufelskreis, da eine Tankstelle wird erst ab 800 Fahrzeugen pro Tankstelle rentabel – heute versorgt eine Tankstelle ca. 77 Fahrzeuge. Das heißt dass dieses Geschäft für Investoren ziemlich unattraktiv erscheint.

Durch Druckerhöhung in den Behältern lässt sich das Volumen um das Vielfache verkleinern, so ist das Gas sehr leicht und billig transportierbar, demzufolge ist der Gewinn für den Unternehmer größer, was sich auch positiv für den Verbraucher auf die Preise des Kraftstoffes auswirkt. Das sind aber nicht die einzigen Gründe für den niedrigen Preis dieses Kraftstoffes. Dies liegt auch teilweise daran, dass Gasantrieb auch vom Staat gefördert, das beste Beispiel dafür ist eindeutig die Steuerliche Ermäßigung von Erd- und Autogas bis zum Jahr 2018.

Durch die eingebaute Technik kommt es öfters zu zusätzlichen Kosten, bei der Reparatur, TÜV-Zulassung, oder sogar speziell für umweltfreundliche Autos geschaffene Farbplaketten. Diese Plaketten sind geplant für das Jahr 2010, dabei müssten alle Fahrzeuge mit alternativen Antrieben eine haben, die Plaketten werden zwischen 30 und 50€ kosten.

Das größte Problem bei solch einem Antrieb ist die Tatsache, dass Erdgas und Erdöl fossile Stoffe sind, und sie werden irgendwann aufgebraucht sein. Der Weg bis dahin ist mit vielen Preisschwankungen verbunden.

Aber, die meisten Fahrer konzentrieren sich lieber auf eine nähere Zukunft. Und tatsächlich, wenn man die umbaukosten nicht als Belastung sondern eine Investition betrachtet, sind diese Fahrzeuge viel rentabler und umweltbewusster. Trotz des Mehrverbrauchs von etwa 7 bis 15% bei Autogas, bleibt es immer noch ökonomischer als Benzin oder Diesel.

Durch die niedrigen Flüssiggaspreise und den extrem niedrigen Verbrauch von Erdgas amortisieren sich die kosten ziemlich schnell. ……siehe Diagramm

Fazit

Gasantrieb könnte man wie eine kurzzeitige Notlösung für unsere Weltverschmutzung sehen. Gasantrieb hat heute seinen Höhepunkt. Die Technik ist ausgereift und zu 100% umsatzfähig. Im Vergleich zu den anderen alternativen Antriebsmöglichkeiten wie Hybrid oder Brennstoffzelle, ist diese Variante um vielfaches billiger, und somit für fast jeden Autofahrer zugänglich. Da die Ausgaben nur sehr gering sind, amortisieren sich die Kosten für die Umrüstung schon sehr schnell. Da vielleicht andere alternative und umweltfreundliche Antriebsarten noch nicht zu 100% anwendbar und funktionsfähig sind ist dies die richtige Lösung bis man was Besseres gefunden hat.

--------------------
user posted image

Dilz621

Posted: March 1, 2009 12:48 am

IRC Nickname: Dilz
Group: Banned
Posts: 1403
Member No.: 973
Joined: June 23, 2008
Total Events Attended: 151

Ignored.

--------------------
user posted image

LOLPNS
user posted image

Perm banned.

Reticked

Posted: March 1, 2009 01:00 am

IRC Nickname: Ret[Keith]
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 2049
Member No.: 86
Joined: January 1, 2008
Total Events Attended: 82

Reticked* does not ignore

--------------------
Best Firemaker in WG no lie
user posted image

<--- rofl
1st joined WG: October 18th, 2005.
Ex-WG mod, OPH winner
user posted image

^My original idea (U GOIN DOWN TWIZ)^
189th person to get "100" firemaking
Hash Unit, Tun Unit, C-Unit
user posted image

Robertw56

Posted: March 1, 2009 01:31 am

IRC Nickname: Robertw56
Group: Guest
Posts: 1908
Member No.: 15
Joined: December 29, 2007
Total Events Attended: 118

Oh I see, very interesting!

--------------------
user posted image

Jayson

Posted: March 1, 2009 01:32 am

IRC Nickname: megajayson
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 9246
Member No.: 423
Joined: April 4, 2008
Total Events Attended: 216

i understand 0% of that

--------------------
user posted image

This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended.

Sithofwookie

Posted: March 1, 2009 02:14 am

IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 2842
Member No.: 815
Joined: June 11, 2008
Total Events Attended: 48

post count

--------------------
user posted image

Pyro Blade26

Posted: March 1, 2009 02:43 am

IRC Nickname: Pyro Blade26
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 782
Member No.: 84
Joined: January 1, 2008
Total Events Attended: 64

quick someone translate it from german into english! then he has to re-translate it back to german! lmao

--------------------
user posted image

WG_Aaron

Posted: March 1, 2009 02:49 am

IRC Nickname: ``Aaron
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 1055
Member No.: 149
Joined: January 21, 2008
Total Events Attended: 34

This thread for most active.

Free post count.

--------------------
user posted image

Sithofwookie

Posted: March 1, 2009 03:46 am

IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 2842
Member No.: 815
Joined: June 11, 2008
Total Events Attended: 48

K I translated it and turns out it's not a love letter to me but some report I guess.

QUOTE

A gas drive is ecologically and economically meaningful. In the course of the discussions around the CO2-Problematik here also liquid gas and natural gas take an outstanding role. A substantial potential for the reduction of the pollutant emissions is attributed to the gas drive, to which far would be to be wished rising market shares, because e.g. a vehicle operated with autogas produces 10-15 per cent of fewer CO2 than a Benziner. Natural gas against it, consists up to 98% of methane, i.e. many other materials such as sulfur, soot or benzene, harmful for the environment, are also omitted thereby. That is not called however still for a long time that gas drive nature leaves completely untouched. A car propelled with ground connection or autogas will discharge nevertheless harmful emissions, even if these are rather small compared with a Diesel or a Benziner. Exactly as with the conventional fuels one needs oil for the production of autogas, since it is actually a gas mixture from propane and butane. To consequence the environment becomes not only when driving gas-propelled cars, but also with the promotion of oil as well as natural gas. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A gas vehicle to add and thus the gas industry promote is not only ecological but also economically very meaningful. Economically regarded the business with the gas drive for the manufacturer as well as for the consumer can be extremely favourable. The entrepreneurs earn naturally by the re-equipment of vehicles. The costs can vary very strongly. The re-equipment of a natural gas vehicle goes from 3800 to 4000€, autogas against it only from 2500 to 2800€, which however actually not at all is so bad, since with a re-equipment and/or a purchase of a pollution free car, one can hope for Einmalpremien those, which minimize change costs. Later if one itself decides the car to sell, notices one that it there still a good deal rauszuholen gives. With autogas and/or natural gas the engine runs many more calmly and the trip is all the more comfortably, so however also the engine is very strongly preserved, in addition still the inserted technology and low consumption come. Thus the resale value of the vehicle rises. The change costs comes right after the large problem with the gas station net. Today there is approximately to 800-Erdgas and 3000-Autogastankstellen, compared with 15.000 gasoline gas stations. Thus a vicious circle develops, there a gas station becomes only starting from 800 vehicles per gas station profitable - today a gas station supplies approx. 77 vehicles. That is called that this business for investors appears rather unattractive. By increase in pressure in the containers the volume can be made smaller by the multiple, then the gas is very easily and cheaply transportable, therefore the profit for the entrepreneur is larger, which also positively affects for the consumer the prices of the fuel. Those are however not the only reasons for the low price of this fuel. This is also partly because of the fact that gas drive is also promoted by the state, the best example of it clearly the fiscal reduction from ground connection and autogas to the year 2018. By the inserted technology it comes repeatedly to additional costs, with the repair, TÜV permission, or even particularly for pollution free cars created color plaques. These plaques are planned for the year 2010, all vehicles with alternative drives would have to have one, the plaques become between 30 and 50€ cost. The largest problem with such a drive is the fact that natural gas and oil are fossil materials, and they will be used up sometime. The way up to then is connected with many price fluctuations. But, most drivers rather concentrate on a more near future. And actually, if one change-costs not when load but an investment regards, are these vehicles many more profitable and more environmentally consciously. Despite the increased consumption from approximately 7 to 15% with autogas, it remains still more economic than gasoline or Diesels. By the low liquid gas prices and the extremely low consumption of natural gas amortize cost rather fast. ...... see diagram Result One could see gas drive like a brief Notlösung for our world contamination. Gas drive has today its high point. The technology developed and to 100% salable. Compared with the other alternative drive possibilities such as hybrid or gas cell, this variant is cheaper around multiple, and thus for nearly each driver accessible. Since the expenditures are only very small, the costs of the re-equipment amortize already very fast. Since perhaps different alternative and pollution free drive systems are not yet to 100% applicable and functional are this the correct solution to one which better found.

--------------------
user posted image

Bambaleo

Posted: March 1, 2009 10:34 am

IRC Nickname: Bam
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 2762
Member No.: 131
Joined: January 20, 2008
Total Events Attended: 111

rofl.

it's about eviromental vehicles....not very interesting. Just gotta learn it all by hard.

--------------------
user posted image

God Reports

Posted: March 1, 2009 01:21 pm

IRC Nickname: DyIan
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 1205
Member No.: 1638
Joined: January 15, 2009
Total Events Attended: 107

is that german O.o

--------------------
user posted image

Mojohaza1

Posted: March 1, 2009 02:57 pm

IRC Nickname: Mojohaza1
Group: Council
Posts: 495
Member No.: 1574
Joined: December 22, 2008
Total Events Attended: 33

QUOTE (surferguy80 @ March 01, 2009 01:21 pm)

is that german O.o

yes

and he obviously wants to swap computers or something like that

--------------------

Ubg-Fcbruges

Posted: March 1, 2009 04:29 pm

IRC Nickname: Ubg Fcbruges
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 1209
Member No.: 1373
Joined: October 12, 2008
Total Events Attended: 64

Das Deutsche spräche! Uber pwnage lol

--------------------
user posted image

Portfolio user posted image

~~ WG Emeritus - 20 November 2010 ~~
~~ WG Higher Guardian - 10 November 2009 ~~
~~ WG Emeritus - 2 July 2009 ~~
~~ WG Higher Guardian - 27 February 2009 ~~
~~ WG Guardian - 12 December 2008 ~~
~~ WG Trial Guardian - 30 October 2008 ~~

Samurai-JM

Posted: March 1, 2009 10:06 pm

IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 3204
Member No.: 117
Joined: January 11, 2008
Total Events Attended: 8

cool story bro

--------------------
-=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=-

W I N N I N G

Bambaleo

Posted: March 4, 2009 04:10 pm

IRC Nickname: Bam
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 2762
Member No.: 131
Joined: January 20, 2008
Total Events Attended: 111

that was my presentation rofl, it went pretty well but the teachers were gai and raped my grade. Therefore i got only 10 points out of 15. Fuck them, f them all.

--------------------
user posted image

Sithofwookie

Posted: March 4, 2009 05:15 pm

IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 2842
Member No.: 815
Joined: June 11, 2008
Total Events Attended: 48

Ima save this till I have a report do

--------------------
user posted image

Bambaleo

Posted: March 29, 2009 05:38 pm

IRC Nickname: Bam
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 2762
Member No.: 131
Joined: January 20, 2008
Total Events Attended: 111

ignore this too #

According to a long-hidden document that belonged to the interior minister of the Ottoman Empire, 972,000 Ottoman Armenians disappeared from official population records from 1915 through 1916.

For generations, most Turks knew nothing of the details of the Armenian genocide from 1915 to 1918, when more than a million Armenians were killed as the Ottoman Turk government purged the population. Turkey kept any mention of the events out of schoolbooks and official narrative.

But in the past 10 years some parts of Turkish society are now openly questioning the state's version of events. In December, a group of intellectuals came up with a petition that apologized for the denial of the massacres, 29,000 people have signed it.

With his book, "The Remaining Documents of Talat Pasha," Bardakci (pronounced bard-AK-chuh) has become part of this. The book is a collection of documents and records that once belonged to Mehmed Talat, known as Talat Pasha, the primary commander of the Armenian deportations.

The documents, given to Bardakci by Talat's widow, Hayriye, before she died in 1983, include lists of population figures. Before 1915, 1,256,000 Armenians lived in the Ottoman Empire, according to the documents. The number went down to 284,157 two years later.

Turkey has never acknowledged a specific number of deportees or deaths. On Sunday, the Turkish foreign minister, Ali Babacan, warned that President Barack Obama might set back relations if he recognized the massacre of Armenians as genocide ahead of his visit to Turkey next month.

Bardakci claims that Turkey had to take action against Armenians because they were openly supporting Russia in its war against the Ottoman Empire.

Many experts believe that the small number of Armenian rebels was not a serious threat to the Ottoman Empire, and that the policy was more the product of the perception that the Armenians were non-Muslims and therefore considered untrustworthy.

Though Bardacki clearly wanted the numbers to be known, he refuses to interpret them. He offers no analysis in the book, and aside from an interview with Talat's widow, there is no text beside the original documents.

Bardakci said he had held the documents for so long - 27 years - because he was waiting for Turkey to reach the point when their publication would not cause a chaos.

Even now Turkey feels the need to defend itself. Last summer there was a propaganda film about the Armenians, which was shown in schools.

There are of course no official records about this incident.

This absence of Ottoman records could seem confusing, because according to Ottoman regulations, Ottoman officials had to keep detailed records of the deportation of Armenians, as well as an inventory of their properties, as well as details of the final settlement of the people.

Map:
In this map of the Ottoman Empire in 1917, the circles represent the Armenian population of each part of the country. The percentage of the Armenian population deported and missing in 1917 according to Talaat’s Black Book is shown in black. The percentage not deported is shown in dark gray. The percentage of deportees accounted for elsewhere (e.g., in Syria) is shown in light gray.

--------------------
user posted image

Planolocal

Posted: March 30, 2009 01:56 am

IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 1449
Member No.: 228
Joined: February 13, 2008
Total Events Attended: 107

added to ignore list

--------------------
user posted image

"If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0"

For Sooth

Posted: March 30, 2009 12:49 pm

IRC Nickname: Hyperion
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 1636
Member No.: 978
Joined: June 23, 2008
Total Events Attended: 141

I refuse to ignore this.

--------------------
user posted image

Dragon boots:29 Whips:2

Eregion2

Posted: March 30, 2009 01:32 pm

IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 3087
Member No.: 156
Joined: January 25, 2008
Total Events Attended: 8

QUOTE (For Sooth @ March 30, 2009 07:49 am)

I refuse to ignore this.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of ignorance.

--------------------

Sithofwookie

Posted: March 30, 2009 04:04 pm

IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 2842
Member No.: 815
Joined: June 11, 2008
Total Events Attended: 48

QUOTE (Eregion2 @ March 30, 2009 05:32 am)

QUOTE (For Sooth @ March 30, 2009 07:49 am)

I refuse to ignore this.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of ignorance.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of his ignoring of ignorances.

--------------------
user posted image

Eregion2

Posted: April 1, 2009 02:33 pm

IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 3087
Member No.: 156
Joined: January 25, 2008
Total Events Attended: 8

QUOTE (Sithofwookie @ March 30, 2009 11:04 am)

QUOTE (Eregion2 @ March 30, 2009 05:32 am)

QUOTE (For Sooth @ March 30, 2009 07:49 am)

I refuse to ignore this.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of ignorance.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of his ignoring of ignorances.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of my ignoring his ignorance.

--------------------

Planolocal

Posted: April 6, 2009 02:05 am

IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 1449
Member No.: 228
Joined: February 13, 2008
Total Events Attended: 107

QUOTE (Eregion2 @ April 01, 2009 09:33 am)

QUOTE (Sithofwookie @ March 30, 2009 11:04 am)

QUOTE (Eregion2 @ March 30, 2009 05:32 am)

QUOTE (For Sooth @ March 30, 2009 07:49 am)

I refuse to ignore this.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of ignorance.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of his ignoring of ignorances.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of my ignoring his ignorance.

I'm confused

--------------------
user posted image

"If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0"

Eregion2

Posted: April 6, 2009 02:38 am

IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 3087
Member No.: 156
Joined: January 25, 2008
Total Events Attended: 8

QUOTE (Planolocal @ April 05, 2009 09:05 pm)

QUOTE (Eregion2 @ April 01, 2009 09:33 am)

QUOTE (Sithofwookie @ March 30, 2009 11:04 am)

QUOTE (Eregion2 @ March 30, 2009 05:32 am)

QUOTE (For Sooth @ March 30, 2009 07:49 am)

I refuse to ignore this.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of ignorance.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of his ignoring of ignorances.

I'm ignoring your ignorance of my ignoring his ignorance.

I'm confused

I'm ignoring your confusion about my ignoring his ignoring my ignorance of his ignorance.

--------------------