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Posted: April 6, 2009 09:48 pm  | |||
     IRC Nickname: Slayer123121 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 319 Member No.: 1753 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 12    | Ok FIRST OFF I DO LIKE ALL THE COUNCIL AND GET ON WELL WITH THEM! I've made this as I WAS VERY ANNNOYED at my graduation, but it seems others are ALSO. We are WASTING time showing effort, talking in Lobby etc, Why? Becuase Apps are sitting there for ages, with no post from the council telling them what they need to improve or Accepting/Declining Apps. They ARE PICKING who they accept, want some examples? I posted my graduation, next day Mtoise posted his, and another guy (forgot who) George accepts Mtoise's skips mine, someone else does the other blokes, and mines left there sitting for a week, i then complain and low and behold it gets done. Then (NOTHING AGAISNT ANY OF THE MEMBERS I USE AS EXAMPLES!!!) Ac the guy from Ds, posts APP it's accepted within hours, others who have posted before are left, How do you (The council) think this looks? Someone posts there App days before and they see someone who's just posted be accepted? Then theres APP's with NO POST from the council there for A WEEK, and guess what Lordy rants at us members FOR NOT DOING RECRUITING PROPERLY???? Sorry i find this very amusing and I don't care if i upset Gene/The council im afraid i don't like reading posts from Gene saying we ain't putting the effort in when we can ONLY DO SO MUCH. Key points: Council Either Arn't active enough, or ain't putting the time in We need Additional Council members/New ones if they can't uphold the required activity. Get APP Managers, like most clans have, that DEAL ONLY WITH APPS. Thus taking some strain off the council. Gene stop ranting at members We need The people accepting Apps to do there job as well, it hurts morale with constant rants when Most of the MOST ACTIVE members ARE NOT STAFF. Staff should be SETTING THE EXAMPLES, they should be the BEST OF THE BEST. Or at least thats how it always was, look at Past Council members, Starz/Rai of Light/TWizlers/Stoke/Tmal/Bassim All were VERY ACTIVE and if they COULDN'T BE they all Stepped Down/Asked for help. Like i say this is no offense to anyone just me and SEVERAL others are annoyed at it, I get on well with all the council but this is my opinion and the opinions of others have made me want to post. Forgot to add in Theres no shame that If council members need Extra help TO ASK FOR IT, asking for help is fine, don't be scared to do so! --------------------  | ||
Posted: April 6, 2009 10:03 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | App Managers either went emeritus or in the case of Zlat were banned due to lack of appreciation etc. Also, this very problem you speak of is the reason Mugger was unbanned. LOL RANDY IS INACTIVE NOW LOLZ -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: April 6, 2009 10:06 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Here's the part you're missing. The application process isn't a "you apply, you get in" system. The council follows a very strict protocol that requires us to do research on every single applicant. If we find something suspicious, we don't just decline them, we look into it. Not saying that just because your app takes longer than other means it's suspicious, just sometimes the process gets backed up. And to be honest, the council has been running pretty short on staff the past few weeks. George is traveling, Glen and Lordy don't do much apps, and all the shits being crammed into my to-do list (not just apps, graduations, wars, and other things). Just because something isn't done immediately doesn't mean we're inactive, it just means there's other things taking priority. Also, no application managers. Being one was awful. Not only did they get a ridiculous amount of work, but the payoff was nothing. I doubt anyone wants to do it. Inb4LOL RANDY IS INACTIVE NOW LOLZ Edit: Joe cheated --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 6, 2009 10:17 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Slayer123121 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 319 Member No.: 1753 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 12 |
Again you miss my point, You Randy have been the MOST active council member since i've been back, but your missing my point. Not posting on The apps makes it seem VERY Frustrating/Annoying for apps when they see others ACCEPTED WITHIN HOURS and then theres has No post or anything, EVEN IF YOU POST SAYING "We're looking into such and such first before accepting/declining" But again How come some are accepted within minutes/hours and others left for a week? Seems Rather annoying, and like i said It's not just me who thinks this so hey you can go on like this but im not gonna waste My time and effort recruiting etc if the council won't put time in to Accept/Look at Apps. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 6, 2009 10:17 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Honestly I would love to do some work for the clan. I don't always have the drive to do something on RuneScape, but there are many times where I can do some work on the forums. As for those who say that there would not be any App Managers if there was the position open, that is complete shit. I am sure there are others like myself that just want to help the clan by doing strenuous work and not always playing RuneScape. I do try to recruit, but in all honestly, my attitude towards other people is not always the friendliest, especially when it comes to new people and trying to attract them to the forums. There are people that would do MUCH better than I when it comes to recruiting, and those people are already on the "recruiting team". Ask people who I have been in contact with. I have done a month or two of pictures for WG.com, I have done the tank factor for three clans, one including ourselves. It is things like that that I don't mind doing. Ask me, and I am willing to do. --------------------      | ||
Posted: April 6, 2009 11:51 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | I agree that Council should do Apps going from people who've waited the longest to people who've waited the least, but as Randy said, maybe they were looking into a few of Apps in Level Four, they sometimes make topics and need to discuss about the member amongst themselves (Sorry if I leaked anything). Application Managers won't work with Wg, but that's just me blabbering on about what happened in the past, maybe the present is different. ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 12:23 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 |
LOLLEAK. Honestly, I think bringing App Managers back would be a good idea. I'm with Nick- I would like to do some work for the clan too. Also, with the recent flood of introductions we're having, and probably more soon to come, bringing back app managers might not be a bad idea.  --------------------  | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 12:29 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | I guess it's a thought. You can ask any ex-app manager, it sucked. The only real benefit was giving your input to level three. We can probably discuss this at the next meeting. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 02:49 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | I agree with Slayer, I know that Council is semi at fault for the long waits, but I also know that you have a ton on your plate at once, that's why I think app managers would be great. I'd be willing to do it as well if you needed anyone. --------------------    | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 03:00 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | Tbh I've thinking of asking council about being Apps manager. I for one would love to do it. It would force me to get to know the new members. Where do I sign up? --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 03:39 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Group: Ex-Member Posts: 201 Member No.: 1646 Joined: January 18, 2009 Total Events Attended: 6 | I have no problem with people waiting a week, I just think it should be fairly uniform. If some take 3 days to research, and some take an hour, make everyone wait 3 days. Even if you know it is a good app, it's better to let them sit there for 3 days instead of instant accepting them and pissing off others. That's my two cents. And I think we really need two more council members. I know the attrition rate is high, but there are a few people in the clan who would make fine council, and to get a couple more in there wouldn't hurt. Open an election up only to elite+ in my opinion, guaranteeing people who are truly dedicated, and select two new members. Or, the current council could just pick two new people like all other clans do. Elections aren't always the most efficient. -------------------- RSC Moderator  Originally Joined WG August 19, 2005  | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 03:52 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | No, absolutely not another council member. That seems to be the miracle 'cure-all' now-a-days. "Promote someone to do it!". Pardon my French, but fuck no. How about the current council just put the necessary time in? --------------------    | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 04:25 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I think right now it's temporary. George will get back from his trips, and Glenn isn't going to be looking at colleges 24/7. Randy isn't inactive. I do support the request of at least acknowledging the applicants because it creates some sort of personal link, not just that one lone response of either accept or decline. I can understand the frustration, but keep in mind the Council is very busy. EDIT: I just thought of something. To those saying they'd really like to help the clan, why not do some of the research to help the Council. You won't get the special perks of a tertiary position or anything, and possibly no credit whatsoever except from other tertiaries and the Council, but you'd be going WG a great service. I'm sure that the research gathering is the main time consumer, and if some people that want to help out a little more can find out if an applicant has had a history of flaming, or scamming or could be a spy, that would save the Council a lot of work and would probably speed up applications greatly. Of course, if the member finds the applicant to have a clean record and seems to have everything set straight, then that would also help. --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 05:14 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
This is a position that I keep hearing from both council, staff and members alike. "The council is too busy" or "I'm having to do so much work for WG" is a common theme, and if you look in here or the IA forum you'll find that you dont have to look far to find a post where it is mentioned, so I think we all agree there IS a problem. It seems where our disagreement lies is not what the problem is (that council/Eugene is overworked) but more on what the solution is. It seems (to me at least) that council would rather stretch themselves as far as they can without breaking rather than appoint or hold elections for another council to relieve their stress. I dont really get that? Eugene knows, and has frequently mentioned that he hasn't got much time that he can dedicate to WG at the moment, so why is he and the rest of council so opposed to another when only a couple of months ago they 'desperately needed' a 6th council member? I normally wouldnt be that worried, but it seems more and more to me that certain timezones (or more one timezone in particular) of WG are getting steadily more neglected, with staff not getting replaced even when they are needed. We might not have that many Aussies in WG at the moment, but if you ever want that to change you need to have the support structure there for them. I would be ashamed if I was to recruit an aussie to WG at the moment, they'd almost be better in a no-namer clan. /rant --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 05:24 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | agree, it was only about 2 months ago that council said they needed 6 council, now suddenly they can manage with 4? --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
Posted: April 7, 2009 06:12 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | JC, I totally agree with you. I made a suggestion once to assign jobs to people to help lessen the Council's workload, but that wasn't taken into consideration as far as I know. I think the thing is, the Council needs to ask for help. There is this constant struggle between the Council being overworked, and then the agitation that results from that due to lack of member participation. Why not give the members some of the responsibility? Maybe then they'll feel some sort of obligation to be more active since they're putting more effort in. At the same time, the Council gets some time to take care of other things. I think the main problem is that the Council is taking everything onto themselves. Obviously the job is, and should be stressful but it doesn't have to be as stressful as it is. List the things you think the members could do and then let them take care of it. It might not be exactly what you'd have done, but it'll suffice. Possibly think of it like a boss/secretary relationship. The secretary sets up all the meetings and the boss basically just follows the calender. Maybe he'd have preferred to not have a meeting on Monday, but it needed to happen so he goes. That kind of thing. The Council's main problem is they're not asking for help. Let us help you and I wouldn't be surprised if an activity bump comes with that. -------------------- | ||
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