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Posted: May 13, 2009 02:09 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | Voting is anonymous. Don't feel scared to vote yes. An inactive leader means an inactive clan. What sort of serious clan leader is retired from Runescape? If this clan wants to go forward it needs an active leader. We have some choices... I can step down and replace myself with an existing council member (but apart from Glenn, who is himself rather busy and unable to take full leadership) the council is extremely new and we don't know how long they'll last. Or we could kill two birds with one stone, merge with a similar sized clan, and give them full leadership under the name WG (mostly for the sake of our website and such). Or wait about 3-4 weeks until my Uni ends, followed by about 6 weeks of free time to repair WG... but in the meantime we're going to get worse. Or close... not gonna happen. ________________________________________ This is an unprecedented situation we have, Never before have we been unable to rebuild. D-Day was not as bad as this. At least we recovered. We can't recover form this like I wanted us to. The leaders have taken every angle. We're down to a few options: - Merge. - Lower the requirements and standards, opening up to possible spies (the least of our concerns atm). - Change the leadership and regain activity that way. - Steal members from smaller clans (unethical, and a last resort) - Keep going and just hope members will come our way. It's come down to numbers. We can't have activity without more members. Recruitment is EVERYTHING. I have considered the third option. I want to know what you think. I'd go down to an inactive founder rank rather than the current primary leader rank. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 02:10 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Voted -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 02:30 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | Maybe a temporary one, but I think it would be better if you were in the leadership position after Uni. Im definitely not in for a merge. I still think we are able to recover. Theres ton of room for improvement both from leaders and members. We arent giving the best effort we can, and I know everyone can do better. All we have to do is survive until summer, where things will inevitably be better activity-wise. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 02:32 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | well, i think the main point is that even if we recruit the high possibility that members stay is slim. truly something is lacking here guys. i have to say its enthusiasm. there is no enthusiasm whatsoever  --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 02:39 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 | 3-4 weeks until you become active again isn't too bad, WG can hold out until then IMO. Perhaps a temporary leader until then, but otherwise you are the best leader we've ever had, I couldn't imagine WG being led by someone else permanently. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 02:41 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: txtawkin/kathy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 847 Member No.: 1604 Joined: December 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 45 | I think we should give our new council time to launch some of their ideas for the clan before doing anything drastic. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 02:44 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | My personal opinion is for you to take the inactive founder position for now, and when you are finished with Uni for the summer, take back the position as primary. The thing is, you are WG. We saw what happened when Abs was primary (no, I am not bashing Abs, he was great; WG just didn't have the drive that it seems to have with Gene was leading). We have new council, we have new members, we have new people all together. If spies are not a worry then I have an opinion, but I will keep that disclosed for a while.  Don't merge, as that is something that you don't want to do. The loyal members of WG will not feel WG if someone new came up and took control. It just wouldn't happen and WG would break into 2 clans. Merging is not the answer unless a group of members from a dead clan all joined WG. PE for example... talk to the members/leaders there. They just died and they need a clan. I believe that is all for now. Recruitment needs to increase, but we all have to face it... RuneScape is not what it used to be, nor is the clan world. There are problems going around throughout many clans. It is not just WG. Stick it out. I am sure we can pull out. --------------------      | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 02:48 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Big_Al_002 Group: Guardian Posts: 1102 Member No.: 1777 Joined: March 21, 2009 Total Events Attended: 25 | we just got three new fresh members and two just graduated y stop now.. just finish uni and get 6 weeks to repair wg..im sure u can hold it in till then. -------------------- Guardian from 4/20/09 to 8/4/09, then quit. Back, Trial Guardian 6/12/11.  Proud To Have A Winddancir Original | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 02:52 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | No Just No Take a hiatus, and call us in the summer. There would be nothing left if you left, you have a huge impact on this clan active or not. Loosing the amout of respect you command as leader, and as a prominant leader in the clan world isn't worth it. See you in six weeks. --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 03:03 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | My vote goes to being buttbuddies with zero tolerance. We should really get going with them and start taking p2p pking seriously. I think if we combine our fairly weak forces together we can do the big teams some justice, which will also earn us the recognition we need. I think the problem with getting up off the ground is knowing when to commit into the "big leauges," if we go too early we get slaughtered, if we go to late people get bored and leave which just happened. Let's find our balance and get going As for stepping down, I believe that being a leader includes the ability to know when to retire. Know one knows your schedule as well as you so... You've been the leader for a very long time and replacing you would be no easy task. You have a great team of council behind you so there's not much need to worry. I would say wait it out. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 03:09 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | All we need to do is stick it out leaving. However, we DO need to take action until then to try to improve. We can't just let things go as they have been; something needs to happen to keep us together until we can start to rebuild. -------------------- bto Ex-WG Warlord "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 03:33 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | for one, stay no matter what. the fact that people have moved on has made it more appealing to go than to stay.and you can't blame them. why work to get this clan better when other clans are already ahead and successful. at least now this can be a test of who truly are wg believers and are here to stick it out in the good as well as in the bad. =D as for improving..i'll leave the council to deal with the bulk =D -------------------- Goals 2011 | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 06:02 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | No, I say stick it out for a month. We will hold together and we will regroup. Everyone has to start recruiting and we should get some positive momentum going forward. I think p2p raids would help a lot too. The last one I was at was excellent. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 06:13 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I say you should step down until your Uni is done and you're able to commit to WG. In the meantime, appoint someone from the Council to take the Primary Leader position. Have the Council appoint 1-3 new interm Council members to help with everything. No election - the Council chooses who is best. The positions wouldn't be permanent, just until you're able to come back. I know it's not exactly the best option because that would mean more people would have access to vital information, but I think we need a broad leadership. More leaders means more structure, more communication. I think that would be a pretty decent interm solution to our troubles. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 07:52 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | Keep the current system, wait out until your Uni ends, along with a lot of people's exam periods, I know a lot of people will come back during around Mid-June, to runescape, and Wg. Merging will suck, replacing you will also just not work. Keep trying to recruit, if we get a few members every week or so, then I'm sure by June we can pull this around. ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 07:53 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 |
This ^ Maybe a temporary primary leader, if you really think we need it, but imo we should be fine until you're back. But when you're active enough you should still be primary. --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 10:10 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Bam Group: Emeritus Posts: 2762 Member No.: 131 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 111 | WG without His Lordship isn't WG, therefore i wait, no matter what it takes. You leaving would cause a real leaving spree and i can't say i wouldn't be one of them. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 10:18 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | NO 1. Take the weeks you need off and give primary to either George or BTO. Even though BTO may seem new to council he has been around a long time and is truly a good leader. Not sure what is going on for George or him in rl but both of them are very capable. 2. Don't even think about letting another clan come in and bring their leader in as primary. Do you want mass leavings? If someone comes in that gets a bit of power hungry, we would have huge problems. 3. We need to be Kissing ZT and getting to know them. I used to hang out with them when I first joined WG and really they were nice back then. Raid with them and start inviting them to all our stuff. If we would get to know them then maybe we could respect their leaders and it would seem like a merge. Choice like 5 of WG members and send them into their IRC channel to make friends. 4. Recruiting is very important to us right now, but realize that schools all have finals. So make new friends that you can recruit in June. We will know them better too. Start added to your friends list and just say something to them every now and then. 5. Choose someone to help council. You decide who and what they will work on but get them someone to help while your gone. I see it as important to have someone in the red all the time in IRC. It just is more motivating for a lot of people to go to events. Make it a trial or temporary position. We need active leadership in IRC. Even if they are not council members. Create a new forum for them or give them access to lvl 3. I think Colin just leaving was a huge blow to you Gene. I know it was for me. It's hard to watch your friends leaving and I'm sure even harder to see WG not being what you know we can succeed at. My quote
Just be the wind for us. Sorry my post was so long. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 12:14 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Kwaichi Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1827 Member No.: 65 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 119 | I dont feel scared to vote NO, i believe you are the best leader for WG. We should just wait until all of us would possibly sometime have more free time. Maybe the marge would be a good idea... what about TDM ? i think they have also problems with "numbers" or am i wrong ? --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 12:24 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 |
its alright since you're proving your point. the thing about it is that. Runescape has become a pain instead of the joy it once was and probably has become too unbearable among the loads of many things. i'm the new guy, which is cool since i can sit on the sidelines, but sometimes too much of a good thing can be a bad thing and in this case his lordship has been a leader for so long. witnessed so much its just not worth it if you add his financial, health, physical future. as he stated before he dreamed to have the clan self-run and for him to help as a medium in decisions and uprisings (debates). this is not happening and it has become that the clan needs him to the point of leeching his life away slowly.  *SLAPS HIS LORDSHIP SILLY* that still dosen't mean you can be selfish enough to think you're replaceable a.k.a leave us when we need you the most. a leader is defined not by his roles or actions but the choices he makes. in this case you figured you knew what was best for the clan. well, your friends have spoken in plain daylight and it seems you've lost a sour bet =D meanwhile i'm interested to see how this will all end. its possible this chapter is just a bluff scene or a happy ending. whichever life may take us. wg will be there. -------------------- Goals 2011 | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 12:33 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Just wanted to say I voted 'Yes' simply because for the time being it's probably the best thing for you Gene, and for WG. If you just take the Founder rank for these few weeks, you relieve yourself of the pressures. Sure, you'll feel them, and still feel the responsibility and the obligation. The thing is you need to take care of yourself first, Uni is important. Appoint a Council to take your place for just the time you're gone, and then resume command when you've got the time again. Simple. Not a resignation, just a short hiatus. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 12:36 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Bam's right about people leaving. We love having Gene around to much and the idea of him gone forever is so bleak. It would be like being alive barely with no heart and using some machine for the heart. It can be done but not for long and not very well. Taking chances of death and infection. Best way to compare I think. -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 12:54 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Slayer123121 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 319 Member No.: 1753 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 12 | I gotta be on honest, i really have lost my will to play Rs, i merely attend events that i can i don't really log on for anything else as the game requires too much of my time, and after recently being promoted in work, going out with the Gf, spending time with my m8's, all i have time for is popping on for the events, i don't have time to train as i use to. And i really dunno what you should do, Less ppl seem to be playing Rs for clans these days or that could just be my view. W/e is decided i hope it's for the best. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 04:25 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | I voted  --------------------  WG love forever, Kristy  | ||||
Posted: May 13, 2009 06:40 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Olivier1o1 Group: Guest Posts: 208 Member No.: 1744 Joined: February 27, 2009 Total Events Attended: 17 | I like the merger idea, on the condition that the clan we merge with has similar levels as well as size. No point in merging with a similar sized weaker clan. Lordy leaving is a bad idea though - I'm sorry, but a WG without lordy ISN'T WG. -------------------- | ||||
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