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Posted: September 19, 2009 07:33 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 ![]() ![]() ![]() | You probably know Orson Scott Card from reading Ender's Game (1986) and the appended Ender's Saga. I know him as being of the most bizarre authors I've ever read because the books early in his career are AMAZING while in the last twenty years I'd classify it all collectively as a mix of senility and epic retardation worthy of Rikers.![]() There's an eight-year window (1979 through 1987) where Card could write BRILLIANTLY. I mean, no shit, they're some of the best fiction I've ever read. Songmaster was so amazing I had to STOP READING and walk off the adrenaline, and it's also one of the first novels he ever published. Then we get up to Ender's Game in 1986. After that? ![]() Card has the honor of being my favorite and most hated author all at once. His books aren't just fiction, they've got BACKBONE. You'll know what I mean if you've read Ender's Game; Card writes stories that mean something in today's world. Even kids who pick up Ender's Game realize there's something different about it. They're stories that exercise your mind. But recently, Card's become a bit of an extremist. Empire (2006) is a horrible depiction of how the United States could become a military dictatorship when a rogue general takes over New York City with technology that reeks of Star Wars, leading to a civil war situation between democrats and republicans. WHAT. THE. HELL. ![]() ^ I'm aiming for the first panel there. If Card's earlier books are so great, why don't we hear about them? It's because he did tons of stuff that's extremely taboo in young adult fiction, especially for when they were written. Main characters who are homosexual or bisexual, Good guys who aren't good and bad guys who are morally justified? That's too confusing! Before Ender's Game, Card was thinking a hell of a lot like Rat, and it made for AMAZING stories. When I read Songmaster it blew me THE FUCK away. But then Ender's Game happened, and Card realized that sympathetic innocent main characters who aren't responsible for the actions of big bad governments sells easier. The customer is right, right? ![]() So anyway, Card's writing ability is in the crapper as another casualty of applied commercialism. But his early books are seriously worth reading. Ender's Game not only suffered by having a sympathetic main character, but also a relatively simple plot and morally straightforward characters. If you want to see what he could tackle early on, check out any of these books below:
![]() There are others, of course. Treason (1978) is one that I haven't had time to read as yet - the concept doesn't sound particularly appealing to me, but I'll check it out eventually and probably regret not reading it ages ago. Card has written MASSIVE amounts of short stories summed up in several anthologies. Songmaster and Ender's Game are just two major novels based of earlier short stories. So! That's my sales pitch. GO READ THEM NOW. ![]() -------------------- ![]() | ||||
Posted: September 19, 2009 08:35 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I'll have to check out some of those books as I've only read the books related to Ender's Game. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 09:24 am ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 ![]() ![]() ![]() | This is something that bugs about a lot of books/movies/anime/series. The fact that everything has to end with a happy ending where everything is alright and everything turns out just fine. The fact is there is no such thing as a complete happy ending. To get to the end sacrifices have to be made and choices have to be taken. Choosing something means not choosing something else and that's something that get me down about a lot of ending of great fiction plots. -------------------- ![]() | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 06:22 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not neccesarily - Frankenstein and Macbeth are two good examples. -------------------- ![]() [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 06:33 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 ![]() ![]() ![]() | A very well written post. I found that Enders Game was one if not the best book i've ever read. Also I found that Shadow of the Giant was well written, but The following books were not as good. -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 10:10 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Enders game was the most amazing book I've ever read. Changed how I thought about alot of things -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 10:22 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 ![]() ![]() ![]() | who reads? ![]() -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 10:46 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Err.. I was reading Ender's game for freshmen year's summer reading, and I hated it. I only read 100 pages, but if its so good then 100 pages should be enough to get you hooked.. I don't know =\. I'm not much of a reader anyways, that's probably why. -------------------- ![]() ![]() | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 12:20 am ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That's the point I was trying to make. Not a lot of commercial books like to go down that road because they're too scared. I personally enjoy books with endings that have a bit of both. (not neccesarily completely depressing but not a happy everything is alright end either.) -------------------- ![]() | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 03:57 am ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: November 7, 2009 07:36 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Rebumpage. I've reread Songmaster and a bit of Hart's Hope. Those links will take you to their previews on google books if you're interested. My current theory is that Orson Scott Card was abducted by aliens in 1987 and replaced with a biosynthetic doppelganger designed to systematically undermine intelligent young adult literature as a pre-phase to an alien invasion. -------------------- ![]() | ||||
Posted: November 7, 2009 07:48 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Outlaw Group: Emeritus Posts: 558 Member No.: 2055 Joined: September 12, 2009 Total Events Attended: 95 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I loved Ender's Game, I read it my freshman year, and instantly became one of my favorite books of all time. I have also read all the sequel, and read all of the side story of Bean. I have also read Empire, and would agree it was out there, a bit fanatic even. I wouldn't say it was a horribly written book. Dry and far fetched, but well written. I would definitely say that his instant classics of Wyrms and Ender's Game make up for Empire -------------------- ![]() Join date : June 2006 Left : March 2007 Rejoined : October 2009 Original DG Member Completed Goals : 99 Cooking, 99 Fishing, 99 Strength, 99 Attack, 99 Constitution, 99 Defence, 99 Ranged ![]() | ||||
Posted: February 2, 2010 03:21 pm ![]() | |||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I just found The Worthing Saga (1991). So far it's not written very well, and Card seems to get a kick out of giving a few of his characters rather strange names -- how can you take someone named Elmo seriously, seriously -- but there's something about it that's just overtly raw that makes me want to read it. Like here:
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