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Posted: December 22, 2009 11:53 am  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286    | Caught vephyrus + stokenut duo'ing corp while the raid was on tonight. Quite terrible coming from 2 'leaders' of the clan. This is the 2nd time vephyrus has skipped a raid to corp. When is it going to stop? Note that they both had knowledge of the raid too. [9:15:59 PM] Stokenut entered channel. [9:16:20 PM] Stokenut left channel. <Zemus> pvp room^, about 30mins after it started <Vephy[DuoCorp]> sknzor for corp <Vephy[DuoCorp]> good team world 97 <Zemus> were raiding <Zemus> #wgwilderness If I didn't care about my clan I would've spent the 4 hrs gathering MA pts to get my rings imbued. Of course, when somebody told me raid, I jumped at the opportunity, and went to help my clan. Sure its not mandatory, but shouldn't "leaders" show up to clan events to rally support + actually make the clan worth being in? Don't forget to mention, setting a good example.   They were also both in vephyrus clan chat. Which was locked + only high ranks could get in. Hence why this is on rachel's account.  Note: Ran from edge after last bit of fighting + took screenshots. During the whole raid, vephyrus + stokenut were both on irc chat, not idle. Discuss. --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 11:54 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | it was mandatory, and tweek got warned for skipping so... --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 11:56 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Squelchyfish Group: Emeritus Posts: 625 Member No.: 38 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 71 | (11:50:00) <@Stokenut> What's this I hear about skipping raids (11:50:08) <@Stokenut> Unacceptable behavior Isn't it just, Stokenut? --------------------   "Take lobsters because I don't want us to die" -HisLordship on WG pvp PKing, 26 April 2010. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 11:57 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Not mandatory given my knowledge. Never was informed it was mandatory. Would have gone otherwise. Don't show up and start preaching to me. --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 12:04 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 | (11:40:01) <Stokenut> I'll come in future but as far as I'm concerned, if a random raid leader wants to PK he can't just expect to call a raid because he feels like it and expect everyone to drop what they're doing. (11:53:42) <Stokenut> It's 11:53am for me and I haven't slept (11:53:56) <Stokenut> Me and vephy have been corping for 8 hours straight and were trying to reach our kill goal before going to sleep (11:57:01) <%Fbi3255> it wasnt a mandatory raid But I do accept it was a bad example to set. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 12:05 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | On the morning of an official war can one really host a low-prep P2P raid and call it mandatory? --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 12:07 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Ya sets a bad example. Sorry. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 12:18 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | If the raid leader, ie the host of the event/raid doesn't wish to take further action then we shan't. I have reversed Tweek's 20% warn + suspension with my apologies to him. But yes we do need to clarify what a mandatory event is... --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 12:35 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
A low-prep event should not be mandatory, unless it is an official war against another clan which requires the full support of everyone available. I say that much. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 01:28 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Bam Group: Emeritus Posts: 2762 Member No.: 131 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 111 | the only thing that has to stop is you constantly whining about something. It wasn't mandatory. --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 02:46 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guest Posts: 387 Member No.: 2058 Joined: August 16, 1938 Total Events Attended: 38 | you know what, i dont agree with people skipping raids. But people dont go to war practices... thats just as bad if not worse. so need to check that too... --------------------  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 03:21 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
 Not the war practice shit again  - Raid was not mandatory - Steve had a fair reason to not attend - Yes it was a bad example - No, it did not break any rules -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 03:53 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | inb4lock --------------------      | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 04:01 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Whether it was mandatory or not as staff you are held to a higher level of expectations. In the end this only hurts yourselves, every time this happens I and I'm sure other people lose respect for you. After awhile nobody has any respect left for you but you have a 2.1B bank. Your choice. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 05:40 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | Can't expect everyone to drop what they're doing for a spur of the moment thing. People make commitments to other things. Lets say you spent half an hour getting KC for duo arma with a good friend, and then you had to drop out because someone made a spur of the moment thing. Not blaming anyone, but spur of the moment raids arent even nearly as efficient as planned. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 22, 2009 07:32 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 | If its a short-prep thing, then its completely up to people whether they want to go or not. It does look pretty bad when leaders skip them, but they have little free time as it is, they are entitled to some. However, the disgraceful thing is a member in the same situation getting a warning. I'm glad that's been reversed, because personally i would show extremely strong objection to that. I think its also important not to call ourselves a hardcore PKing clan when stuff like this happens. Its been an issue for years. -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This needs to STOP