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Posted: July 31, 2010 01:45 am  | |||
      IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173    | http://www.runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=wildguard 60 total members. Only 10% are under 105 F2P. More than 50% are over 120 F2P. Should we consider raising? Consider the benefits of a raise, and consider the losses. How will it affect, help or hinder us? Just for discussion, I'm not suggesting anything yet. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 01:46 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mark`` Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2190 Member No.: 2320 Joined: July 15, 2010 Total Events Attended: 208 | if it was to be raised, id say by only 5 lvls tbh -------------------- Be sure to check out the Community Events Forum!   | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 01:49 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | it would certainly make us more competitive i just realized you would be wiping out trial members. --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 01:51 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dallar Group: Event Leader Posts: 1899 Member No.: 1957 Joined: July 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 137 | If we get 100 members I'd say get it up.. For now.. Nah.. We'll need all the help we can get. --------------------  Click me if you need cheering up - I guarantee happiness will blossom | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 02:02 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Keanu, of all people you should know better. As a historian on WG, requirement raises have been tried three or four times. They are shit, mostly because the slight increase in elitism makes our community deteriorate, and all of a sudden there's too much focus on fighting. --------------------  | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 02:03 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | ^ -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 02:41 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | Yeah I know Gene, I was there for the last two. Hell, I remember half the trolling I got while they were raised  I personally don't want them raised, I like 100+. If put to a vote, I'd say no. To me, 105+ does nothing, and 107-110+ or more is powerhouse. I'm just looking to see what others think. I also heard someone suggest a 70+ Mage requirement. But then again, I'm 62 mage, so I'm out on that as well. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 03:30 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Ret[Keith] Group: Emeritus Posts: 2049 Member No.: 86 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 82 | not that i agree or disagree with anyone, because yes level raises have failed hard - but now it's been years and the average rs player is over 100 cmb, so we're not really getting advantages from levels -------------------- Best Firemaker in WG no lie   <--- rofl1st joined WG: October 18th, 2005. Ex-WG mod, OPH winner  ^My original idea (U GOIN DOWN TWIZ)^ 189th person to get "100" firemaking Hash Unit, Tun Unit, C-Unit    | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 03:33 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | I've always been for Req raises, nothing too crazy maybe 107+ at highest. Yeah i've been here when the reqs were raised and you posted that 'I told you so' when we weren't doing as well, but can you really just push that onto the reqs being raised? There's a lot of other factors to consider. Pros • Higher levels ~ Yeah pretty obvious one, with higher req's our combat average will be higher which will do a number of things: - More Appealing ~ We will look more appealing to people looking for clans. Right now with a 100+ req and average level of 117, we might be considered as a 'low level clan' compared to most other clans our tier which have 105-107+ reqs, and higher average. - Better Warrers ~ This is more of a stereotype but is generally true. The higher the combat level the more likely they've been in clans, they know how to tank etc. And even if that doesn't hold true, having the extra levels will aid them in warring. Cons • Less Recruits ~ This really is debatable, though. As brought up in my first 'pros' point we will look more appealing to the high levels. Well with higher reqs, we will be missing out on those applicants whom are 100-105 (or whatever level we raise to) But really, is this such a bad thing? I mean With of course a few exceptions Most new members this level are the typical 'noob', gets koed in wars, doesn't really know what they're doing and really to just put it bluntly is just doing us more harm than good. If they are really that commited to joining WG i'm sure they won't mind training up those extra couple level's. Just a few points to consider, I doubt this will ever be done anyway so i'll just leave it at that. --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 03:34 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 | Reqs are perfect. --------------------  The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011       | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 03:59 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | You missed a lot of cons Moose. -------------------- | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 04:10 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
In wars. But wars are only one part of WG. They could have an amazing contribution to the community, or be pros at non-PvP events. I see what you mean Gene about it bringing too much PvP focus. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 04:29 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Mmm if the cons are us becoming deteriorated by a war mongering factor I believe that can be wiped. I'm around most of the day and I can help steer us away from some weird bitterness. I don't really want to raise reqs tho... --------------------   | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 04:37 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | No, no, and no. I went for it the last last time because I wanted to see what would really happen. Nothing good came from it, so yet again, I say no. --------------------      | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 04:55 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 |
QFT. --------------------  | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 08:01 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 |
^^ --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 08:17 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: letter fly Group: Ex-Member Posts: 186 Member No.: 2283 Joined: June 5, 2010 Total Events Attended: 18 | doesnt look like reqs need raised just about everyone who raids or wars is high ass combat 110+ --------------------  "You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks, even months analyzing a situation trying to put the pieces together, justifyin' what could've, should've, or would've happened. Or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the stink on." -Tupac | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 08:26 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Pyroclastic0 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1158 Member No.: 35 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 221 | people should be encouraged to train but not forced -------------------- Having a fight on the internet is alot like the participating in the special olympics you may win, but you're still retarded
Best pker + most mature summer awards 2011 | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 08:27 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: ZurvivorMan Group: Emeritus Posts: 1098 Member No.: 1528 Joined: December 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 99 | I think WG is doing great now, we got alot of members and more joining. Let it be -------------------- You don't have to feel like a waste of space You're original, cannot be replaced If you only knew what the future holds After a hurricane comes a rainbow Maybe you're reason why all the doors are closed So you can open one that leads you to the perfect road  | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 08:43 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | If not a combat level raise, would you consider a Magic req? 82 Mage, specifically. Everyone of our members would then be able to blitz, or TB which will be very beneficial. It's not too hard getting 82 especially now they made alching easier. You no longer need to time your clicks right, you can just spam click the alch spot while you're watching a movie or something. -------------------- 24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 09:31 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Don't think a requirement raise is the solution here. I've always felt that we should integrate a sort of "training regiment" to new members that join at the lower end of the combat spectrum. Nothing radical like 2 combat levels a week, but something like 1 combat level every other week. And keep this until 110-115 whatever seems reasonable. At those levels, getting those level ups really doesn't take a lot of time so 3-4 every two weeks should not be hard at all. I also agree with Moose on the 82+ Magic requirement. We implemented a 70+ Range requirement which I think was a very good move because it meant that everyone would have access to the best range gear possible. It would give us an advantage during raids, knowing that every single person there is capable of maging in one way or another. --------------------   | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 10:03 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | no. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 10:29 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 |
 --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 10:37 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: `Neo 0ne Group: Ex-Member Posts: 94 Member No.: 2329 Joined: July 27, 2010 Total Events Attended: 10 | Being new to this clan, just what I think, I believe that without clan reqs being raised a clan could stay stagnant and will not encourage their mems to train, but then again almost all of the clans/teams I have been in have been combat based. Raising combat reqs is always a step forward, as it shows that the clan is improving as a whole rather than as individuals, and of course it will screen the new applicants and thus come out with better applicants. -------------------- RANGED TANK PRIDE! 99/99 Ranged 98/99 Defence 99/99 Constitution | ||
Posted: July 31, 2010 11:17 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: SupremoPete Group: Ex-Member Posts: 173 Member No.: 2311 Joined: July 3, 2010 Total Events Attended: 42 | I'd say no as well. Usually means that even more focus goes towards PKing and wars and I'm one of the few people who dont really enjoy that side of RS --------------------  | ||
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