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Posted: August 18, 2010 05:52 am  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112    | Okay time for a serious topic. Why is it expected of us to tip people who do certain jobs? Taxi drivers, delivery boys, croupiers in the casino... most people give these people tips for their "services", despite the fact that they get paid a basic wage just like everybody else doing their job. We don't tip guys packing our bags in supermarkets or cleaners as they go through town picking your shit up off the floor. Or even bus drivers (what makes Taxi drivers special? I'm pretty sure they make more money than bus drivers.) Yet it's considered rude not to tip certain people. Whole system is fucked up. This is why I don't tip. Your thoughts on the subject? -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 06:00 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Erti Group: Ex-Member Posts: 600 Member No.: 1698 Joined: February 8, 2009 Total Events Attended: 58 | Nice topic Steve, here in Montreal,Qc we are forced by law to give 10% of the bill as tip to restaurant waiters, other than that I tip when I feel like it.  -------------------- Determination is what keeps me pumping.   | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 06:03 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Pyroclastic0 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1158 Member No.: 35 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 221 | I normally only tip hot women. Generally after I've had a drink. But yeah the system is a bit fucked up, I suppose a lot of retail staff get commission on what they sell so it doesn't make sense to tip them as well. The rest of the people you listed get tips depending on the quality of their service. I think a lot of it is about the fact that when people are enjoying themselves they are more likely to give money away. -------------------- Having a fight on the internet is alot like the participating in the special olympics you may win, but you're still retarded
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Posted: August 18, 2010 06:05 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Waiters/waitresses are actually paid less than minimum wage in America idk bout everywhere else. They rely on tips. But I agree, it shouldn't be that way. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 06:07 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | In New Zealand its thankfully very very uncommon to even have an opportunity to tip in most places and it's unusual to find anywhere that really encourages them. I certainly don't tip Taxi Drivers, why would I give Taxi drivers extra money when they already cost way too much and they're hardly 'professional' drivers lol. I hope Tipping never becomes common in NZ, I would rather people got paid well (the minimum wage over here and in Aus is pretty high compared to the UK) and we pay slightly more rather than feeling obligated to leave tips  --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 06:10 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mark`` Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2190 Member No.: 2320 Joined: July 15, 2010 Total Events Attended: 208 |
Im from NZ also and i personally have never ever come across a place where i was forced to tip or even consider it. Fuck America tbh -------------------- Be sure to check out the Community Events Forum!   | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 06:17 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 |
Pro flame! Seriously Mark, you have some really strong feelings if things don't go your way. And lol @ Stokenut "That's why I don't tip" -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 07:07 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Ret[Keith] Group: Emeritus Posts: 2049 Member No.: 86 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 82 | Waitresses make way below minimum wage, so it's a total asshole move not to tip them. -------------------- Best Firemaker in WG no lie   <--- rofl1st joined WG: October 18th, 2005. Ex-WG mod, OPH winner  ^My original idea (U GOIN DOWN TWIZ)^ 189th person to get "100" firemaking Hash Unit, Tun Unit, C-Unit    | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 10:16 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: `Neo 0ne Group: Ex-Member Posts: 94 Member No.: 2329 Joined: July 27, 2010 Total Events Attended: 10 | Well about the not tipping bus drivers but tipping taxi's I thought that was obvious, Taxi's take us to specific location and only run cause we call them, bus drivers will take the specified route regardless. But yea, I take taxis loads when at uni and have never tipped one, never even thought about tipping them till this topic lol. In the case of waiters I only tip them if I feel they deserve it, as in they did their job well, and aided in going to the restaurant a pleasant experience. And for delivery boys well depends on how quickly they brought the food to my doorstep  . But it usually comes to like 18 pounds, and it's effort carrying change, so it makes sense for the kid to keep the 2 pound change. Unless he takes forever than I can be a pain and ask for my change  -------------------- RANGED TANK PRIDE! 99/99 Ranged 98/99 Defence 99/99 Constitution | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 12:25 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Ex-Member Posts: 580 Member No.: 42 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | They should pay everyone minimum wage so i don't have to tip. 15% on an 80$ meal when she brought us 2 plates and 2 drinks? No thanks. -------------------- We will be alive and we will walk and talk and eat and sing and laugh and feel and love. You plan the wars, you masters of men, plan the wars and point the way and we will point the gun. Join Wg Late 2004 | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 12:41 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | In australia we pay minimum wage $14.75 AUD p/hr ($1 AUD = 85-90 US cents) and i the only time i have ever seen tipping, or tipped myself is when you buy beer at a pub and the barman is a great bloke/lady you chuck in whatever coin you have from your note into the jar (usually like 50 cents) --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 01:04 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | A couple weeks ago I went to dinner with my boss's boss. He makes 6 figures. We went to an Italian restaurant, and the meal for the bill came to £160. He paid £200 for it. A £40 tip. My dad has a habit of giving tips to people as well - shops, taxis, pubs, even pizza delivery guys. And I've turned to it as well. Seeing as the world revolves around money I find it as kind of a social point. You're giving extra to a person who does something directly for you. Bus drivers and so are more indirect. And I pack my own bags at the supermarket --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 01:46 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Nytemares4u Group: Ex-Member Posts: 316 Member No.: 2279 Joined: June 3, 2010 Total Events Attended: 19 |
You are right there, but in defense, if they know a part of their wages come from tips, why do most of them act like they have a stick up their backside? To me if you work in an industry that you are dependent on tips to be a part of your wages, then I'd bust my butt trying to make sure that I make an impression, hoping that Stokenut does tip that one time  I will tip you a penny if your service is crappy. If you do a great job, you may end up with 20-60% of a tip. Guess it all depends on the "service". As for the bag boy and others, I will admit I have never thought to add them to the standard list of people to tip, guess I'm not the only one, but if they assist me to the car with grocery's well sure as hell I do tip the poor soul. Overall, great "food for thought"! --------------------     | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 02:12 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Sum41xx Group: Emeritus Posts: 630 Member No.: 102 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 |
The way I see it is why should I tip a waitress to compensate for her lack of wage? The Restaurant should be paying her a good enough wage based on her performance. Not allowing the customer to cover their lack of commitment to their employment. Regardless of the above, I still tip. But, I will never tip more than some one deserves, even if the restaurant demands it on the bill. --------------------   Proud WG member since December 2003 | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 02:30 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
Someone beat me to it. In Australia there's a price and you pay it. Tips should be bonuses, not expected. Waitresses and such should just get paid a decent living wage in the first place. The two worst parts about my time in America: Tipping and sales tax. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 02:47 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: fbi3255 Group: Emeritus Posts: 800 Member No.: 1776 Joined: March 21, 2009 Total Events Attended: 143 | In Japan if you try tip someone they refuse it and i mean will not take it if your force it because its already included in the price you pay. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 02:56 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
Man I hate that. Dollar store items weren't really $1, they were $1.06. Got on my nerves. But still, better than the UK's 17.5% or some shit. And of course it all goes to the good cause of buying our members of parliament's second homes, plasma screen TVs and porn stashes. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 03:05 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Come on Keanu don't be like that. I don't mind paying more tax. England's system isn't so corrupt as to pocket all that money. You have the NHS and other wonderful things. I'm very impressed with England's governmental systems. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 03:25 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Well, I only really tip waiters and waitresses. they do something directly for me, when I want it. I figure that it's just a gesture of kindness that I give them a personal little bonus of $1-3. In the Philippines however, tipping is a little different. Waiters and waitresses don't really get tipped (unless you're just lazy and don't want to carry around change - I always take the bills) but other professions do. Whenever I order McDonald's (home delivery) I tip the delivery guy, and for whatever reason, it's customary to tip barbers in this country. Part of what determines whether or not we tip (in the Philippines) is if there is an inclusion of the VAT (Value added tax - basically sales tax built into the price). If the VAT is included, we don't tip, and if there isn't a VAT, then we do. It's funny though, because my family is diplomatic, we have cards that exempt us from paying the VAT so if the bill is big enough, we just pop it out and tip what we feel is deserving. It's not so bad because in the Philippines an acceptable tip is like 50 cents, and we usually give a WHOLE dollar, but it's something I'd never consider in the US. I've personally never tipped a taxi, in the US or any of the other places I've lived. I've never felt compelled to NOT tip. I've always just felt it was a nice gesture of kindness to people that serve me. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 03:34 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Ex-Member Posts: 580 Member No.: 42 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 |
Lol Try canada, our sales tax is much higher. I went to Detroit for a night to fly out to Cancun and our dinner was 74$ and like 78 with tax. It's no wonder they have suggest a retarded deficit, they pay next to nothing for taxes. -------------------- We will be alive and we will walk and talk and eat and sing and laugh and feel and love. You plan the wars, you masters of men, plan the wars and point the way and we will point the gun. Join Wg Late 2004 | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 04:29 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | When I say America, I mean the USA and Canada. I went to both. In Canada I went to Vancouver and Calgary/Banff -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 07:58 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | For service people, they rely on tips because they're paid under minimum wage because they get tips. Excluding waiters/waitresses/barbers I don't see the point in tipping. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 08:28 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | Taxi drivers and waiters/waitresses actually have to mingle with the customers, so you get a feeling of comfort while in the taxi/restaurant. As far as tipping in restaurants goes, a fair chunk of their wages actually come from tips, so no tips equals no payslip. Now that I think about it, I've never tipped a taxi driver. They drive slowly and take the long routes which in turn costs you more money. Fuck them rofl. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 09:04 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 | They just usually only get minimum without any healthcare etc. All the waitresses I know aren't even allowed to work full time so the tips make up for it. I only tip waiters/waitresses if they did a good job. Usually around 10-15% of the tab. Edit:
I guess they do get paid below minimum. --------------------  The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011       | ||||
Posted: August 18, 2010 09:14 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Fire Lion Sword Group: Emeritus Posts: 1189 Member No.: 103 Joined: January 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 3 | Personally, I mainly feel compelled to tip people who serve me directly as I order and does a good job. Unless someone else does an exceptionally good job on something, and impresses me, I'm generally less inclined to shed nothing more than a smile and a 'thank you'. -------------------- --------- 獅の炎 ----------  ----------- 忍☯者 ----------- | ||||
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