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Posted: September 4, 2010 01:38 am  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112    | Finally a top scientist had the balls to come forward and write publicly about the disproval of God. I mean, let's face it, in this day and age the only people that still believe in God are old women, uneducated members of society and those brainwashed from childhood. The Universe is the most magnificent, mind blowing thing in existence and it's about time mankind started to embrace it's beauty instead of ignoring it and just being content with "Oh well God did it".
-------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 01:47 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mark`` Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2190 Member No.: 2320 Joined: July 15, 2010 Total Events Attended: 208 | Saw this last night on the News. Bloody right that is. Even though im shit at science. -------------------- Be sure to check out the Community Events Forum!   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 01:50 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Kcross|RDC Group: Banned Posts: 2535 Member No.: 1723 Joined: February 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 202 |
Let's not confuse facts with opinions, now... -------------------- Kcross73 – KevCross – Kevin Proud Trial Guardian: December 24, 2009 – January 10, 2010 Proud Guardian: January 10, 2010 – February 13, 2010 Proud Event Leader: February 13, 2010 – November 27, 2010 Proud Council: November 27, 2010 – July 5, 2011 | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 01:53 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 |
Find me any Christian and I'll place them into one of those categories for you. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:03 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Ok Steve. Which category am I in? --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:05 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Don't buy it but --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:16 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 |
You're not a Christian. Although I do remember you explaining your beliefs regarding spiritual energy and that side of things. I think that any beliefs you do have are your own adaptations of what you were force fed and told to believe while growing up. Planting that seed into the minds of children is the only reason religion continues to exist. I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, but come on, the information is there and it's impossible for any type of God to exist. Every time something in the Bible (or any other religious book for that matter) is disproved, you'll get some stupid Christian trying to twist the words a little to try and make them fit with what Science has proven as fact. They're now, finally, running out of words to twist. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:18 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kcross|RDC Group: Banned Posts: 2535 Member No.: 1723 Joined: February 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 202 | This seems more like an anti-Christian topic than an "Atheists unite" topic. -Sigh- -------------------- Kcross73 – KevCross – Kevin Proud Trial Guardian: December 24, 2009 – January 10, 2010 Proud Guardian: January 10, 2010 – February 13, 2010 Proud Event Leader: February 13, 2010 – November 27, 2010 Proud Council: November 27, 2010 – July 5, 2011 | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:22 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Hamfield3 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 224 Member No.: 2184 Joined: December 10, 2009 Total Events Attended: 79 | ^^^ I also like how stoke said "anyone who believes in god... childhood" but then moved on to specify to show him any christian. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:24 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | I'm a Christian, but of my own domination. I'm not a follower of the main sects, I have my own Chriastian identity. We talk about how bad religion isf and how it leads to war. We don't stop to think that our moral codes and laws are based on the teachings of the great prophets and figures. We are a moral and just society because of religion, but yes, it has caused great suffering. It is a double-edged sword. I believe in a God Steve, and I am Christian. Nowhere did Hawking say that God doesn't exist. Science and religion are not opposites. The more I appreciate science and human advancement, the more I come to marvel at God. Science is just another way of understanding the true power of God. Have you ever looked at a landscape in the wilderness, or stopped to appreciate the great complexity of the humble ant, or simply fallen in love? Do you believe in love? If you answered yes, what if I told you God is love? -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:26 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 |
Although Christians are slowing down the evolution of mankind, I didn't intend to create a Christian bashing topic. It was more to advertise Stephen Hawking's new work and to support the main purpose of this publication - To explain that new theories in physics and mathematics have proven that a Universe can be created and explained through gravity without the use a "God". -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:27 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | As this is a fairly civil debate (so far), it can stay open. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:28 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: letter fly Group: Ex-Member Posts: 186 Member No.: 2283 Joined: June 5, 2010 Total Events Attended: 18 |
Thank you for those words because that is the problem everyone wants to believe in "something" when its all right there in front of our ignorant faces and theres nothing to believe but theres plenty to see, marvel, learn, and discover. The entire story of god is the biggest crock of shit ever i roll my joints with bible paper. People are entitled to opinions but its hard to argue fact from belief. --------------------  "You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks, even months analyzing a situation trying to put the pieces together, justifyin' what could've, should've, or would've happened. Or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the stink on." -Tupac | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:35 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I guess you're going to have to define God. The God that watches over mankind, no. I don't believe in that. I'm with Einstein. I believe in a God that science can explain, not disprove. I believe that the laws of the Universe, the perfection of everything around us, the way you can stare into space and feel part of a larger force... these things are not chance. They are tiny glimpses of a God that our brains cannot fully understand. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:39 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kcross|RDC Group: Banned Posts: 2535 Member No.: 1723 Joined: February 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 202 |
Yet in every post you've made so far in this thread, you've made a comment directed towards Christians (the quoted is no exception). You don't even bother to mention one of the other major worldly religions. To further demonstrate my point, <Stokenut> http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...T&f=119&t=18719 <Stokenut> Atheists unite <Stokenut> Inb4 a bunch of god fearing christians trash the topic If you truly intended to make a topic about Stephen Hawking's new work, the sciences behind the creation of the world, you would have worded your first post differently. -------------------- Kcross73 – KevCross – Kevin Proud Trial Guardian: December 24, 2009 – January 10, 2010 Proud Guardian: January 10, 2010 – February 13, 2010 Proud Event Leader: February 13, 2010 – November 27, 2010 Proud Council: November 27, 2010 – July 5, 2011 | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 02:49 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 |
We could throw arguments back and forth all night about the relations between religion and war. Or how the teachings of holy books bring out the best in people, acting as a guideline for living out our lives in a humble manner. The main point you made was that what if God was love? Going into that would raise a completely separate debate - What is God? The majority of religious people believe that God is this all powerful creator that made the Heavens and the Earth with his bare hands and I feel that this flawed, uneducated ideology is doing nothing but holding us back. What exists on our planet is indeed magnificent, but when you understand that there are 125,000,000,000 Galaxies, each one hosting an average of around 400,000,000,000 stars, mathematics dictates that sooner or later you're going to end up with a planet like Earth, orbiting a Star like the our Sun with the conditions to harbour life. It's impossible for the human brain to even comprehend the size of our own solar system, let alone the size of our galaxy or the 125 billion other ones. That's without taking into consideration the very plausible multi-verse theories. To think that the our Earth is unique is ignorant. We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 03:02 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | There is no delusion, only reality. Our reality is one of many possible realities. One person's reality differs from another's. On a different note, religion is changing. Christians are starting to believe in a different God. Like you said, you need to define God. I hold to the believe that science seeks to define God. There's something called the God of the gaps... that as knowledge expands, God retreats to smaller corners to explain the unexplainable... he fills in the gaps. This should not be how we see God. Look at the perfection of a conch shell. Its components are made up according to the golden ratio. This is obviously an evolutionary attribute, but I marvel at how natural selection took its course to achieve that perfection. There was no chance in it. That's how science explains it. To me, that supports my belief in God. My God is the sense of perfection in every law of the Universe, and my ability to consciously acknowledge it. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 03:09 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Hamfield3 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 224 Member No.: 2184 Joined: December 10, 2009 Total Events Attended: 79 | I'm a Christian, I do not have enough time tonight to put down all ofmy beliefs, why I believe in them, and other stuff tonight. However I do not agree with the things that lordy just posted. I have a headache atm and I have to go, but I will be back online sometime tomorrow and post more on this topic. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 03:11 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | Agnostic unit fall in.
This. I call myself agnostic because I'm open to the concept of religion - I just think that most of the religions we have right now aren't quite... let me think of a way to put it... accurate. Most of them personify God too much. We don't actually know what God is, and I don't expect us to find out. Not in my lifetime anyway. And I don't like guesswork. So I'm really with Gene on this one. I don't question why the Irn Bru tastes so good, I just drink it and enjoy it. I'm not going to join in with religious beliefs like church or prayer because in my personal opinion I think they're unfounded - but I respect the people who do. I wouldn't say it in Letter fly's words, and I wouldn't try to argue it. The Bible is so inaccurate in terms of history and facts, but when I think about that I have to ask, "What is history and what are facts, really?" So I have complete respect for all religion, as long as they don't try to force it upon myself or others unwilling. I'm contempt with simply appreciating life, and making the best of it, without excessive worshipping and religious acts. If there is a God in such a form as the religions tell, he will understand. And if he doesn't, he is not God, and I don't need to worry. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 04:52 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | For a topic not intended to bash Christianity, it seems that generalizing all christians as foolish, "uneducated", "stupid", and "ignorant" members of society is ignorance in itself. Although I am Christian, I do not believe that my religion truly defines my personal beliefs. Just because a person is Christian, it does not mean that their personal beliefs align perfectly with their religion's teachings. I personally do not believe that we are the only sentient creatures in the universe, as do many others. To generalize not only Christians, but people who believe in god from various religions to hold such views is fallacious. My personal view on this topic, is that neither side has developed enough evidence to conclude a real debate. In my opinion, faith is the belief in something that cannot be proven. Religion says theres a god, while atheists say there isnt one. One side says prove it, and the other says prove otherwise, yet neither argument can shut out the other. To my current knowledge, there is no real factual evidence that proves/disproves the existence of a higher entity. There are guesses, and theories yes, but they are only theories. Unless someone can discover how to spontaneously make something out of nothing, I cannot deny the possible existence of a god. Though I really enjoy Stephen Hawking's work, I do not believe that this book will be able to solve the religion debate. I believe it will be able to raise some interesting points, but I dont think it will be able to difinitively disprove a side. However, I am curious to see what evidence he has to offer. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 05:00 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Bto, you're a fucking legend. Way to say it. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 05:04 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | The difference between science and religion is faith, it is intangible but one of the greatest forces in the universe. Faith is what makes the Christian beliefs possible. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 06:38 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Glad BTO wrote that before this got any further lol. Nicely structured. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 06:40 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I'm not a religious person, and much more a follower of science so I don't "buy" into the idea of an all powerful being that requires my servitude to grant me a fruitful afterlife (if there even is one). I figure that my "God" is more like a conscience. "It" tells me what's right or wrong and if I do something wrong and am punished, it's not some being punishing me, it's because I decided to make a wrong choice. Granted, I don't think religion is at all stupid. I believe in science, other people believe in religion. I have faith in science, other people have faith in religion. Sure I might have numbers and stuff to "back up" what I have faith in science, but theoretically, the same "evidence" can be used to argue for and against the same point. I admire him for taking a stand. He has his opinions and he feels that the facts he's gathered them has validated his opinions as fact. Some may agree, and others may not. Steve, I ask that you watch these youtube videos. The person is a science professor who is himself very religious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Evlu4olDM - Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIIxgue_3QY - Part 2 (should theoretically star playing after Part 1 ends, but if it doesn't...) If you're ACTUALLY interested in the debate between science and religion, then I suggest you watch all his other videos on the topic because they really are interesting. Also, to say that you could classify anyone who is a Christian into one of your three groups is ridiculous because if you don't have a legitimate way to prove your point, you have your "brainwashed from childhood" fallback. I have a friend studying to be an astronaut (or NASA engineer) who is religious. He's not uneducated, or an old woman and chooses to believe in God. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2010 06:49 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gibble00 Group: Emeritus Posts: 775 Member No.: 100 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 9 | I like how Stephen Hawking is getting more controversial with age. He's made the news at least three times already this year for stirring trouble --------------------  | ||||
"God did not create the Universe", Says Hawking