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Posted: April 26, 2008 03:32 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137    | I just took a peak at Abs' topic showing how many of us aren't signed up for this upcoming war. It's pretty pathetic considering a few wars ago we were pulling 49 members to a war. I just think, that because we have been able to do something we should be able to do it consistently. My suggestion is that we make sign-ups required. I'm not suggesting that if someone doesn't do it, they're banned or anything that drastic, but some action be taken. In some cases, there are people who have posted inactivity topics, so they should be given some extra time, but not so much that it's unfair. The reason is that most of the time, inactive is referring to time on RS, not time spent browsing the forums. It's not good for a clan with as many members as we've got to not even get everyone to post whether or not they'll be there. Being able to make the war is much more difficult because real life takes priority, but posting a few words saying there is a 75% chance you'll attend due to unpredictable things won't be hard, but shows a lot about a member's commitment. I suggest that if someone doesn't sign up for a major event (Full Outs, Minis) and for some reason does show up, they're cut regardless of what the event is, and their position in the clan. In the same respect, if they don't sign up, and do sign up for another major event (or possibly a number of smaller events) they must participate, but aren't credited as attendees. These punishments honestly don't seem that drastic, but attendance is pretty important because it determines whether or not you stay in the clan. The Council, if they decide this is worthwhile, can conjure up some second and third tier punishments that could be used if a member neglects to sign up for a series of events. I wold however recommend that banning, or kicking not be something that is stated as a possible punishment because that is quite drastic and should only be done after consideration amongst the Council. Thoughts? Constructive Criticism? I know this might seem mean, but in reality it's not. If people really can't sign-up then they can easily state that when they get the chance to post. The problem lies where people are posting on other areas of the forums, but neglect that one topic that is incredibly important. Even if people just post that there is only a 50-79% chance that they'll be there, if every single member (excluding Emeritus) states that, it shows, at least to ourselves that we are in fact active. We might not get everyone to the war, but we do have everyone on the forums, making sure they're up to date and know what is going on in the clan. --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 03:46 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Ranma344 Group: Emeritus Posts: 759 Member No.: 78 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 24 | /me wonders how many times he has seen this topic.... I lost count after about 50..... You should just let it go... It most likely will not happen and will only cause problems if it does. --------------------  R.I.P. Lucy ! | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 03:52 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | If the same topic comes up over and over, that just means there is a problem that hasn't gone away. I think this is slightly different. This isn't punishing for lack of attendance, but lack of the action of signing up. It's simple to just go to the Sign-up topic and say whether or not you'll be that and a small reason as to why you won't, or might not be there. There shouldn't be any reason why that is to hard to do. The only plausible reasons are that the member had no internet connection, or have posted an inactivity topic, which in most cases refers to playing time, not general time on the computer or the internet. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 04:02 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: General199 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1073 Member No.: 318 Joined: March 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | Sign ups are always required. Thats why there are different sections to see if your 0% up to 100% of being there! --------------------  | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 04:08 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | When I say "required" I mean something happens if you don't sign-up. In Abs' topic, he said that if a reason isn't given as to why a person in red hasn't, or doesn't sign up, they'll be warned. Our last war, we had practically nobody sign-up, but everything just goes on like normal. The punishments don't need to be harsh or anything, but they should make maintaining a good image within the clan. It also forces people to be more active, because their next even doesn't go towards their attendance record, and in order to keep up their record they'd have to go to another event. This suggestion is not so much about getting people to the events themselves, but to just give people more of an incentive to take the five minutes to post a message stating whether or not they'll be there and why they might not. The different sections, 0-49%, 50-79% and 80-100% are just brackets for getting a rough estimate of who will be there and who might or might not. I just want to make this clear, that this topic is not about getting people to the events, because there will always be things that come up at the last minute, or tests that require vigorous studying, which make attending an event pretty hard. The act of signing up is what I hope to increase. If we can just get everyone to at a very least sign-up, that's an improvement. It takes no more than five minutes to click on the topic name, hit the 'End' key and click on "Fast Reply" and type out: "50-79% because you can never be sure of what might come up" and hit 'Enter'. At that point you're safe from any punishment because you've said that you may or may not be there at the time. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 04:08 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | I think it is a good idea actually. I think already signing up for wars and things of that nature is supposed to be manditory, however it lacks any teeth. I am not sure though if kicking people from an event they have not signed up for will be enforceable, expecially if it is a large war. I like the idea that you cannot get attendance for an event you have not signed up for. --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 04:18 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Karl, my idea for saying that people should be kicked from things like wars if they attend without signing up is because it teaches them that they're not special in that respect. It's like the thing coaches say to their team: "I'd rather have 10 mediocre players that come to practice than one really good player who only shows up for games." If the member really does want to participate, it can't be that hard to go to the topic and say: "I'll be there!" In cases like that it'll be more of an emotional punishment because if we lose the war by one person, they know had they signed up, they could have made a difference. It'll make that member (hopefully) more likely to sign-up early for the next war to ensure they're eligible. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 04:30 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | Agreed If you cant be there, at least tell us -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 05:18 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | That's exactly my thinking BTO. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 05:21 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | I agree totally. Shadow Elves have a system where you get a warning if you don't sign up. About the inactives though, some have 0 internet access because of being groudned or on vacation. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||
Posted: April 26, 2008 05:26 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Of course there will always be situations where there is no possible way for you to state whether or not you'll be there, and in most cases you'll know before hand, or have some other way to access the internet such as school, or a local library just to post an inactivity topic saying you've been grounded or, have lost internet access at home. In these cases, people should be allowed to say after the event has been held why they weren't able to post if they'd be there or not. We shouldn't punish people who were incapable of informing us, because that's just mean. The problem is where people are posting on RSC, or in-game or even posting on other threads on these forums, but neglect topics that are about wars. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 27, 2008 12:43 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | When you say 'If people haven't signed up, and turn up to the event, they should be turned away', doesn't that defeat the objective of trying to increase activity? If someone forgets to have a look at the forum, or is unable to for a day or two, and comes back online after school or whatever to find there's an event starting in 10mins, and it's one he'd be interested in going in, you propose turning him away because he didnt get a chance to post on a thread? Were there technologies on this forum to have a queue of topics pending a post from your username (for example when an event is posted, you get a message or whatever in your 'assistant' on here, and once you post on the topic, it's removed from your queue) then yes, there would be effective reason to impliment this rule, however without making the system user-friendly, you'll obviously have some very unfriendly users on your hands  ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||
Posted: April 27, 2008 10:20 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | no they should get a 2 month warning lvl 20%. I mean its not hard to check on forums every 2 days.......and it takes 30 seconds at most to go to forums and look to see if war alert is on and click it. --------------------  | ||
Posted: April 27, 2008 10:53 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | The idea isn't to punish them so severely that they quick by themselves Kiwi. It's to just get them to make a post, and if they neglect to do something so simple they're given a slightly disproportionate punishment. Sure, that might deter some very loyal members from ever forgetting to post, but what about the guy who is committed, but just forgot to post that one time? This is geared towards those who are forum active, but aren't taking the time to just make a small post. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 28, 2008 02:06 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
20% warn is a tap on the wrist...... 40% is a yell 60% is o **** i better do this 80% Man I gotta do this or ima in trouble 100% ur kicked/suspended cuz ur lazy as hell. In essence, no member that cares would get more than a 40%..... -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 28, 2008 02:29 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I am glad sometimes there are reminders about wars in Irc Thanks to those that remind us, I usually remember to post. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: April 29, 2008 11:25 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Pyro Blade26 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 782 Member No.: 84 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | i haven't signed up for a war in weeks but i usually make it to all of them anyways. i have driving lessons randomly so i never know when i can show up to a war --------------------     | ||
Posted: April 30, 2008 05:20 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
I understand that things like that can just pop up, but it doesn't take long to just make a post saying "50-79% because I can't predict when I'll have driving lessons or not." That's one reason I pretty much ALWAYS just put myself in the middle bracket because where I live, the internet is constantly going in and out, so I'm never sure when I'll have a stable connection. -------------------- | ||
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