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Posted: August 13, 2008 08:12 amTop
   
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Now, first off, let me just say that I *could* just do the stuff I am proposing here, and if you don't like it, you are out of luck. However, I am going to give you a chance to refine it somewhat, by suggesting small changes to my plans.

First off, some enhansements to the event-system.
I am going to add an extra field to the database - a "vacation" field. When user x is going on vacation, they post in the H&G forum, like now, and a Tertiary leader puts the date user x is coming back into a special page. This will set the 'vacation' field with the date that user x will come back.
Now, when my weekly script updates everyone's rolling count, it will see that user x is on vacation, and, so long as it is before user x is scheduled to return, it will not remove one from this user's rolling count.

Now, no one can complain that they were on vacation and that is why their count is so low, which means that tertiaries will *not* need to falsely add a couple to a member's rolling count if they are low. In fact, with this system in place, any terciary who *does* add one that isn't from a raid will get in trouble. Of cource, finding who is doing that would be a bit hard with the current system, so now on to the next part:

Taking an idea from Gorgemaster, I am going to add an extra box to the attendance editing page - a "event name" box. Now, I will also add a bit of text that says the last updated raid on the page, along with who updated it.
I also will add a file-upload box, for whoever is updating to put the attendance-image. Note that, unless all the boxes are properly filled with information, it will *not* let you submit the info.
Now, what is all that for? Tracking. You see, all this data will go into a log file(which will also be used to get the info about who last added an event). The log file will contain the time, name, name of event, a link to the uploaded image, as well as a list of all the people who attended that event. This will allow a positive "paper trail" as to who added a raid, when, and basically a positive record of each event each member attended. This will stop confusion, favoritism, and will protect the members from angry or disgruntled tertiaries.

Now that we have made sure every raid counted has a positive record, I can implement the next portion. If you are in an active rank(eg. Guardian), and your event count reaches -3, you get demoted to a new rank, "Inactive Guardian" which has the same privileges as Guardian(Trial guardians would be demoted to like... clan friend). Yes, it seems a little harsh, however, remember that from registering, you would have to do no raids in 6 weeks to get to this level.

I also plan to implement an extra special rank, however to be in this rank, you must go to TWO raids a week, and must have 12 raids on your counter to be moved to that rank. If you reach 0 raids while in this rank, you will be demoted back to normal Guardian rank or w/e. Basically, this is a rank you have to be very active to be in, an elite core of people. I figure they get an extra forum for their work.




Now for an extra, graphical update. I plan to adjust the "card" info on the left of each post to look better, with everything aligned in neat columns and such. I have already made it so you can get the actual number of rolling raids by mousing over the gradient-bar. I will be removing the gradient bar from anyone not in an Active Rank. Total raid attendance however will stay(Perhaps not for non-clan ranks however).

Note on the first part: When I said "Tertiary", I meant anyone with access to that page, Tertiary+

Well? Thoughts on the matter?
And I swear, if one of you council close this topic because regular members don't like it, or do like it...


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Posted: August 13, 2008 08:22 amTop
   


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An extra forum bit for the active type rank? What extras can we stick in there as an incentive to be active?

And no, the demotion doesn't sound harsh. If they can't even attend one event/raid a week... That's kinda sad.

On the attendance image... Sometimes people come late, and aren't in the screenie, but we add their names to the bottom in normal text. How would that affect it?

The vacation box makes sense, and it will help avoid having an incorrect number.
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 08:28 amTop
   
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Sounds great robbie.

Again, not so sure about the forum for those who are extra active because really.... isnt that what higher and elite guardians are meant to be allready?

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Posted: August 13, 2008 09:16 amTop
   
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Do we even have raids anymore?
I really like the ideas Robbie but wouldn't it be easy for someone to just put themselves as away on holiday so they don't get deducted attendance?
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 01:48 pmTop
   
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Oh yeah he means Events Geoff, he's from the time when Raids were the most common event in WG biggrin.gif

Great ideas Robbie, especially about the vacation box thing, very good idea!

I support your idea for the bit where you have to put in the event you are adding, although I wish you had told me before I got Abs to do a new multi-moderation in event recaps for it.
And before I wrote 2 new lvl 3 posts about it and changed the lvl 3 guide to include the new multi-moderation sad.gif
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 05:44 pmTop
   
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These are some nice ideas mate, appreciate all the work you do smile.gif
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 06:25 pmTop
   
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On the attendance image... Sometimes people come late, and aren't in the screenie, but we add their names to the bottom in normal text. How would that affect it?

Well, it won't affect it at all - the computer can't and won't read the text in an image - that is something a human has to do. When there is any controversy over a raid number, I or a council will pull up a special page, put in the member's name, and it will provide a list of times, dates, and pictures. It will be up to the council to verify that the member's name is in each image.

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Again, not so sure about the forum for those who are extra active because really.... isnt that what higher and elite guardians are meant to be allready?

Yes, however, aside from the security forums, I don't know what benefit you get from having a higher rank. The forum in question would be special chat - perhaps stuff that only our most active and best members get to access(Pr0n collection perhaps?
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Do we even have raids anymore?

Sadly, not in the way that I mean when I say raid. If you see raid in any of my posts, just replace it with event.
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I really like the ideas Robbie but wouldn't it be easy for someone to just put themselves as away on holiday so they don't get deducted attendance?

That is why you have to post in the H&G forum and have a Tertiary actually set the value - It would provide a bit of help there. I also could simply add a little check that, if member X attends a raid while on vacation, it either kicks the member out of vacation mode, or alerts a council.



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Oh yeah he means Events Geoff, he's from the time when Raids were the most common event in WG biggrin.gif

Great ideas Robbie, especially about the vacation box thing, very good idea!

I support your idea for the bit where you have to put in the event you are adding, although I wish you had told me before I got Abs to do a new multi-moderation in event recaps for it.
And before I wrote 2 new lvl 3 posts about it and changed the lvl 3 guide to include the new multi-moderation sad.gif

It builds character. evilneko.gif And, the system I am planning would be completely different(guide wise) from anything you could have written before, so no real loss.
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 06:49 pmTop
   
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I haff a bit of input neko2.gif

As for the attendance screenshot tertiaries have to put in, it's rare for big events to have only one screenshot for the attendance. It sometimes goes to 3 possibly 4 screenshots at full outs. There would need to be room for more than one link neko2.gif

Also, for the special forum neko2.gif I'd suggest that be a Subforum of the security forums which would hold a place for staff to discuss updates they are getting ready to impliment with the elite active sector before implimenting them. Possibly giving one day notice before stuff like the mentor system being implimented etc or one day notice before applications for staff are announced etc.

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Posted: August 13, 2008 06:49 pmTop
   
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Robbie, you're fucking awesome. Those ideas are great. <3
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 08:11 pmTop
   
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i wonder why Bill Gates didn't ask you to work for him already...you're a genius Robbie ( i think i say that in every topic of yours)
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 09:19 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Mugger84 @ August 13, 2008 06:49 pm)
I haff a bit of input neko2.gif

As for the attendance screenshot tertiaries have to put in, it's rare for big events to have only one screenshot for the attendance. It sometimes goes to 3 possibly 4 screenshots at full outs. There would need to be room for more than one link neko2.gif

Also, for the special forum neko2.gif I'd suggest that be a Subforum of the security forums which would hold a place for staff to discuss updates they are getting ready to impliment with the elite active sector before implimenting them. Possibly giving one day notice before stuff like the mentor system being implimented etc or one day notice before applications for staff are announced etc.

~Mugger84

I had figured that every Tertiary knows how to paste the important bits of the attendance pics together in MS Paint. Having multiple files would be reasonably easy, however trying to see if someone is adding all files is hard. I could also set it so you upload a ZIP file of various files, but then I can't have the computer check to make sure that the file uploaded is valid.


Also, on the human side, I was thinking that having an event would go something like this:
First, create the topic on the event several days before the event.
Next, the day of the event, create the recap topic.
Third, attend the event. Take attendance.
Fourth, wait 48 hours after the event to make sure that all attendance pics have been added.
Fifth, lock the topic, take the portion of each image with the usernames in it and paste it into a single image using MS Paint. Save this image as PNG.
Sixth, go to the attendance update page, put in all information, including the newly created image. (Perhaps add the URL of the recap topic also?)


Special forum wise, that's a good idea, however I was thinking it being more general than that - sort of like a special "General Matters" forum. Of course, that would include update news.


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Posted: August 13, 2008 09:21 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (RobbieThe1st @ August 13, 2008 06:25 pm)
It builds character. evilneko.gif And, the system I am planning would be completely different(guide wise) from anything you could have written before, so no real loss.

The loss is the amount of time I spent writing that guide and writing those posts...
Wait i'm not gonna have to re-do the whole guide, updating attendance is the same, with the addition of an extra step.
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 09:23 pmTop
   
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Double post oops oh well ohmy.gif

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Fifth, lock the topic, take the portion of each image with the usernames in it and paste it into a single image using MS Paint. Save this image as PNG.
Sixth, go to the attendance update page, put in all information, including the newly created image. (Perhaps add the URL of the recap topic also?)


That sounds as if it will take large amounts of time, considering we have an average of 18 events a week.. tongue.gif
 
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Posted: August 13, 2008 09:31 pmTop
   
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Really good ideas. I agree with everything, and that you are amazing. hash.png
 
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Posted: August 14, 2008 05:06 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Gorgemaster @ August 13, 2008 09:23 pm)
Double post oops oh well ohmy.gif

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Fifth, lock the topic, take the portion of each image with the usernames in it and paste it into a single image using MS Paint. Save this image as PNG.
Sixth, go to the attendance update page, put in all information, including the newly created image. (Perhaps add the URL of the recap topic also?)


That sounds as if it will take large amounts of time, considering we have an average of 18 events a week.. tongue.gif

Well, it actually isn't that hard, if you know how to do it:
Open two MS paint windows. The first, you don't open anything in, and simply stretch the image to like four inches tall by one screen wide. Now, open all the various images in firefox tabs. For each image, right click on the image > copy image(NOT 'copy image location'), paste into the SECOND ms paint window. Now, using the rectangle-select, select the portion of the image you want to keep, press ctrl+C, go to the FIRST ms paint window, press ctrl+V and move it so the left & top of the pasted sections are close to, or touching(or even just a little past) the left & top sides. Go to the next firefox image and repeat, this time pasting the section you want to keep to the right of the first image. The images don't have to match up perfectly or anything, so it should take only like 15 minutes for a handful of images.
Now, when you are done, grab the lower right hand corner of the image and resize, removing any extra whitespace on the left and sides. Now, file menu > save as, type in a name, save as type > PNG.

Its actually easier than it is to explain, after you do it once or twice. Try doing it now for a couple current events.

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Posted: August 14, 2008 08:34 amTop
   
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Ahh ok thanks Robbie.
It shouldn't really be an issue for me since I rarely host events with a very large attendance as we would need for this to be done.
Sounds good tongue.gif
 
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Posted: August 14, 2008 12:49 pmTop
   
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Are there any flash games or something kewl (besides pr0n) that we can add to a special forum?
And have a spam topic that can add to post count in there, for those that want to go crazy. happy.gif
 
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QUOTE (Pbplayer9 @ August 13, 2008 01:49 pm)
Robbie, you're fucking awesome. Those ideas are great. <3

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Posted: August 15, 2008 06:02 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Winddancir @ August 15, 2008 12:30 am)
Are there any flash games or something kewl (besides pr0n) that we can add to a special forum?
And have a spam topic that can add to post count in there, for those that want to go crazy. happy.gif

Well, honestly, I would stay away from flash games and such - I have seen numerous forums with these ads an addon, and they rarely work. A couple topics however, one with links, and one with screenshots of people's high scores - That is perfectly possible.

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