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Posted: November 9, 2008 02:39 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | There are people who have been slipping under the radar. There are people who continuously sign up as 50% and not show... Because they know there's no consequence. WG doesn't need a guilt trip post. They make people feel shit and deteriorate the community. WG needs steps for change. Change One I'm monitoring percentage war attendance. I'm asking Robbie to put a percentage of wars attended statistic under your name, shown in public. If it drops below 40% you'll be spoken to in private and asked to choose between stepping it up and quitting. Anything about 60% is a good attendance, and it takes 75% attendance to qualify for future raid leader and council roles. We have attendance for the last two wars. If you were a member during both of them, and did not show, I'm going to write up a list of you, and assign a council member to speak to you privately. Even if you come to this next war, it's only 33% attendance. If your Saturday nights are regularly clogged up with work or something, that makes you a redundant warring statistic. We'll need to see how many of you there are and then redo the war times to compensate. War sign ups from now on will consist of a Yes or No Option. You will only sign up once you are fairly sure of one or the other. Change Two If you seriously cannot attend several wars for some reason or another, you will need to compensate in another manner, most likely recruitment by referring someone or service on RSC Clan Recruitment forums etc... Change Three For every war where we have substandard performance, I will schedule a war for the next week immediately. It may even be a rematch with the same clan, or a declaration on a harder clan just so that I raise our standards. Change Four I am enforcing emeritus activity standards. Any emeritus who did not register for the last two wars is unfortunately moving to ex-member. And also if there were active members who did not sign up that's instant expulsion from now on. Change Five Within our warring-active population I am going to ensure that the quality remains high. I'm going to force every member to have Explorers' Rings and FoG gear. Change Six If you are a regular who signs up as coming and doesn't show, I will unfortunately require your mobile phone number for the SMS service which I am starting up again just for wars. The SMS service is optional but will be stressed for those members with poor attendance. Change Seven Recruitment is already going fairly powerfully but I am going to step it up again. WG is a clan of numbers and so we are aiming for that lofty number in the hundreds. Change Eight I am going to open up applications for another council rank, specialising as warlord in Dale's absence. Elites and up only. This will happen tomorrow. __________________________________ Points to be made: 1. We will not degrade our standards for wins. I won't ask members to give their accounts to friends, I won't ask people to join our ML last minute, I won't mass recruit. 2. I will be reverent toward our community. Your personality before your pixels. If you have legit reason to not war, like Ikahigurashi who works for the majority of the weekend, you won't be kicked. You'll need to compensate in another way though. 3. If I find people have been weaseling out of wars, they will be the ones who suffer. 4. Glenn is currently sending out declarations for RAW as we speak. There is guaranteed improvement for next week. Unfortunately I am in my exam period and so I only have enough time to delegate, meaning that a lot will depend on council and tertiary. The plans will fall through if even a single tertiary and council don't play their part. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:44 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Explain change 2 more in depth. What do you mean by service on RSC etc? When does this % come out? What about snipers etc who don't need fog robes? How will you check for this? What about other gear for wars? What if a person doesn't meet the requirements to get the ring? -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:44 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: spyder69 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 103 Member No.: 1430 Joined: November 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 12 | Very well put. Everyone in this clan, needs to stop doing half. And do a whole. Show up to a war, it is 30 minutes to represent what your clan stands for. Every time, we show up to a war with 20 people and we expect 50+ it is sad and it makes us seem like a low leveled and low skilled clan. WE should be having a great showup for WARS, they are what represent this clan and what other clans will see when we fight them. This is how we get higher in the ranks. Comon Wg, put yourself together and support Wg with going to wars. There can be nothing more important then 30 - 40 minutes of helping your clan become better then it is. From here on, there is no way but up. Goodluck Wg! -------------------- Banned | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:46 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | yess -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:46 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
Anyone who doesn't meet ring requirements... its Lumbridge. They will have to train to meet them asap. The percentage stat coems out whenever Robbie is free to make it. RSC service means recruiting through the clan hall and getting at least one person to join as a consequence. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:47 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | How long do they have to recruit someone (or any alternative service instead of warring) and what if a person doesn't meet this? What are the consequences for not doing so? With the SMS, you say you require it but then say it's voluntary but recommended. Also, if do require it for those people does that seem against Point 2 and personal privacy? -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:48 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | The percentage stat is effective in about 3 wars' time. That makes it enough wars to be accurate. Everything else is coming into place over the next few days. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:50 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | OMFG YES!! THANK YOU! You, sir, are my hero. --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:51 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | Well said, i like where your heading lordy. And as i can't make very many wars, because of times, i will do my best to compensate in the ways you have stated. --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:55 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | sounds good  --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 02:56 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | This sounds great to be honest. I have already given you my phone number and was actually waiting for the SMS for this war, but did not get one. I am glad that this was not instated a month or so back, or else I would have been screwed with band, and the same is going to happen when I resume with indoor percussion starting in January. At that point I am going to have to talk to you in private about my status, but until then I can try to make anything I can. I have the war gear required, and I am excited about the possibilities of more wars. Hopefully this can improve both the warring times of WG and also the community times. Also the enforcement of the emeritus sign ups is something that I believe should have happened a while ago. --------------------      | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 03:10 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 | Seems very harsh in some ways, but for the most part I think its kinda what we need. One question about the 40/60/75% war attendance. Does this only include wars with a long prep (1+ days?) Or does it include short preps too? Anyways I'm a little frustrated because WG always has wars scheduled while I'm at work (basically every Saturday/Sunday afternoon, EST). If I come back from emeritus I'm not sure what I can do to compensate, but I actually do like to war, and I don't like recruitment -.-. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 03:23 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Laura[Tyranu] Group: Ex-Member Posts: 292 Member No.: 1438 Joined: November 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 4 |
This is the issue for me also as i am in exams for the next three weeks, but i am also still trying to graudate. Am i allowed to focus on getting the events for graduating and attend wars if i can cause i have biology and i suck at biology and i need to study for biology. I hate biology. Also as i have PMed you on IRC, i have free SMS to everyone in Australia. So if you want i can message everyone pre war in Australia; whether or not i attend (Unless i'm at work lol) So yeah. That offer is there also --------------------    | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 03:33 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Laura[Tyranu] Group: Ex-Member Posts: 292 Member No.: 1438 Joined: November 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 4 | Another issue i find is work. People in WG are working. I myself work and have no control in my hours. And if i am rostered on during a war time, this brings down my attendance, and i can't help that. No one can seriously considering calling into work and saying 'Oh i can't make it cause i have to play a game'. So the question is, will you take into factors that people that need to work during war times isn't going to loose attendance? -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 04:22 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I think instant expulsion is a little harsh just for not signing up. Why not give people two chances, and then if both are blown they're expelled. I like the idea about re-doing times...because I can't stay up that late. My dad freaks out when I'm up past 2 AM, and that war started at 5 AM. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 05:08 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
It's the biggest insult if you can't find the time of day to spend 2 minutes to read a topic, check your calendar, and sign your name. If they are not active enough to sign up for a war, they aren't active enough for WG. Colonel, if there's an issue with war times you can PM me your available times and your timezone. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 05:17 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
Alright, I'll PM you my timezone and any other information you might need. Also, I agree that not signing up is an insult to the clan, I made a suggestion about how to handle that a while ago, maybe I can find it. In any case, that why I say just two chances. Could be dealt with in this manner: - Player 1 decides not to sign up for War 1 - Player 1 gets a PM from a Council Member and is warned of what is to come if another sign-up is missed - Player 1 signs-up for War 2 At this point, some would say to reset the counter, but I say have the person sign-up for five consecutive wars before they get a reset. So, Player 1 would not only have to sign-up for War 2, but 3,4,5 and 6. If he ends up missing War 7, he has to do a consecutive 10 wars to maintain membership. Doesn't get easier, and it's more of a hassle to the member in question. I just can't help but think instant expulsion is a little harsh just for not signing up. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 07:09 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kero2|bryan Group: Guest Posts: 1302 Member No.: 91 Joined: January 2, 2008 Total Events Attended: 26 | wow seriously enforcing FoG gear... that stuff degrades so much its pointless well the zerker shield is i mean. the rest im fine with. And im sorry i ahvent been active lately iv jst made a dance crew and we got requests and preperation coming out of my ass -------------------- Best pure f2p Guardian Post here http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...owtopic=20&st=0  | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 07:22 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | I believe this is a 100% necessary post. In comparison to other clans, WG is too lenient. We are inactive. This inactivity is due to the fact that there is no motivation to strive for excellence in warring. A hands down translation. There is no FEAR. If there is no consequence for ditching a war, we take it off as a priority. If we all work together and tighten up the attitude, we will become a powerhouse in the clan warring leagues. ALSO. Before you say "Oh WG is becoming a dictatorship and skilling is dying,' Don't. We will still have tons of skilling events. Think of it like a sport. On the field, we are 100% serious and take no excuses. We will be mean. We will be strict. We will win and be proud. When the war is done, we will have fun and be down to earth people. Great post, Elias -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 08:10 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | What ever happened to warring because it is fun, when did we start taking wars so seriously? --------------------   | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 08:21 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
I've kind of been asking myself the same question. What's interesting is it's not just us. From what I remember from '05, actual full-out wars were rare in the clan world. I mean, DI, DS and all of those clans were constantly having PKRIs, but it was every once in a while that two clans had full-out wars. Now it's like commonplace. Warring before used to be fun AND serious at the same time. Elias would make those videos with tactics and we'd have a ball. People actually did things to prepare. People were MOTIVATED. I especially remember the DOA war. We went all out. People leveled Magic like crazy. People trained like crazy for that war. We wanted to win, and then when the time came, we performed. I just think that we're having 1 war every three weeks even is to much. We had huge breaks between wars back then. Then when we did eventually get a war, it would energize the clan and give all the members something to work towards. Everyone put in 100% because THEY wanted it. We were STILL a warring/skilling/community clan back then to. I think the rigidity will instill the discipline this clan needs. We've got lots of energetic members, but just because they have energy doesn't mean that have dedication. Being there and wanting to be there are TOTALLY different things. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 08:51 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | well unfortuently i am one of those people who find it hard to attend wars. But now that i am spending weekends with my mum again i shold be able to attend wars, if they fall in time with my mums weekend. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 09:07 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 |
You've already broken that rule. But anyway, i agree with what's been said. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: November 9, 2008 09:10 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Every war is at 9pm GMT. Consequently I can't make ANY of them, unless my mum is out... 10pm GMT I can do (most of the time) --------------------    | ||||
Posted: November 9, 2008 09:35 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I said I wouldn't ask people to do it, and I haven't. -------------------- | ||||
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