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Posted: November 10, 2008 02:36 pmTop
   
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Taken from the fucking RSC United Nations Forum.
READ IT!

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Wilderness guardians have for a while been a successful clan and we always got along. Until they seemed to start taking hits below the belt at random people and clans and then for some queer reason decided they should do it to SA. On or posts on RSC including in game and irc  convos they flame the crap out of us. But so far so good they flame thats fine we will simply shut them up. So we arrangement a 1 week prep war to settle our differences.

Here is proof of Dalejame's there high council at the time. It is not even necessary pointing out the flame from there other members someone in highcouncil position speaks for the clan in itself.
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So we worked hard and fought them and well quite frankly it was a one way fight. And after the war we spammed GF and left then made a post on RSC of our much deserved victory and everyone was with Good fights and good jobs until WG members provoked us on the winning topic made to stop the flaming =) funny isn't it? Well that blew out into a all out flame war which you can read about at the topic. But we eventually harnessed it. and we were calm until today we wake up and 5 of our members are muted because wg reported them.

i have pictures of 2 of them the others were not online because they are gmt.

Heres the first:
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And heres the second: - actually this one is quite funny since WG are doing al of the spamming...
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This is WG admitting to have mass reported SA :
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Potcantan, you basically had 3-4 of us reporting you (H)
That's what you get for spamming throughout the whole fight.
Lucky I didn't get more names.


Evidence proving that quote to be real can be found on page 24 of the post of the war which i will link at the bottom. That and a lot of other things they said admitting to this can be found there as well.
Heres the link to the winning topic: http://www.zybez.net/community/index.php?showtopic=1143807

Basically i would like to keep this short and simple. For those of you who know SA and have fought us know we do not start this kind of thing and its rare to find a clan who has ever had problems with us. However this seems unacceptable coming from a clan who is considered honor.

I ask for justice to be served, i would like WG to be revoked from the UNC and like NI and rot and many others to be banned from being part of RAW, in other words expel them from rsc.


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Dude, don't even start. We've been at each others' throats since... honestly around July 2004. I was 16.
I've grown up and I'm really over it. You don't need to be lashing WG unwarranted.

SA, you should have come to me first and dealt with this in private.
Then we could have clarified.
Instead you chose to drag this issue out in front of the other leaders.

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First and foremost, Dalejamesw is not WG any more.
That was his last war and he quit right afterward.
He decided to burn the bridge by attacking SA verbally.
It's a DF issue now since that's where he went right after the fight.
Had he been in WG he would have been stripped of leadership or at least put on a final warning.

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For the reports, I sincerely apologise to SA and I am ashamed that such behaviour came from our clan.


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Now moving on, I really wish you had confronted me in private.
You've dragged our name through the mud.

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Until they seemed to start taking hits below the belt at random people and clans


What does that mean?
The last few months has only seen us trying to repair years and years of rivalries with old enemies.
I'm stricter than ever on politeness and threaten punishment for flamers.

Calling WG no-honour is like calling NI honour.
Whenever there is a dispute to a war outcome, I am very understanding and will always listen to the other leader.
We go further into honour than most clans nowadays.
I don't let my members flame on RSC without consequence, like certain other clans.
We don't add people to our MLs at the last minute before PKRIs or wars.
And we definitely don't ask our members to give their accounts to friends to attend.
And I suspect spying will be coming back into use... forget it we won't be doing that either.
Not to mention we don't kill people who aren't looking for a fight.

WG's downfall is that we are so proud, some members can't resist lashing out in defense of their clan.
They think they are defending their pride but they are costing us rep.
And this is something I'm working on but I absolutely resent people bashing WG in public without trying to consult us first.

We used to be one of the most respectable clans out there and slowly our rep has decayed.
For no particular reason other than flames on RSC, people jump on the opportunity to badmouth us.
It's become standard to jump on WG to be accepted by everyone else, and that's a shame.
Its a shame it had to happen to the clan that is MOST intensely faithful to remaining honourable.

Now you have my word that the reporters are going to be punished in a way they'll never forget.
If you don't mind, I'd like you to reconsider dragging our rep through the mud...

And while I'm posting, I may also add that it wasn't very nice of either clan to be flaming so badly.
The last thing this broken clan world needs is two more enemy clans.


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I am not talking to the majority of WG thank god.
I am talking to a minority of people who have cost WG our reputation.
This is a massive blow.

I worked hard for months to clean up our reputation. Absolutely painstaking getting spat on by other clans, and keeping a check on RSC to ensure good behaviour from our members.

All gone. An effort that would have spent me dozens of hours. Absolutely dozens, equaling hundreds of posts... all wiped out by a few minutes of flaming toward SA.

Whoever reported SA members, please speak to me in private. We need to have a good heart to heart. Way to stab me in the back. Why bother working so hard when my own members can come along and behave so appallingly?

Do not flame on RSC.
I repeat, do not flame on RSC.
We are supposed to be a beacon of honour.
Get a hold of yourselves. Thought you were defending WG?
No, you majorly harmed us. Majorly.
Old scars have re-opened and we have lost our squeeky clean image as a warring clan.

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I *am* angry, but I know better than to take it out on WG.
I have to get over it and look toward change.

Change 1
RSC flaming is now an instant warn... remembering 60% warn is a 3 day suspension, 80% is a 7 day suspension, and 100% is expulsion.

Change 2
I'm going to have to encourage more WG members to be active on RSC. Our presence there might allow people to think differently of us. We would showcase the best side of ourselves and change peoples perceptions of us.

Change 3
No matter what we think of SA, we owe them an apology. I'm going to make a topic on SA forums and I expect many of you... at least the ones that care, to go and offer your apology too.

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I hope you people can understand how gutted I am.
We started out as one of the golden clans of Runescape.
That rep is really fading fast.
I have tried so hard and I was making progress slowly to restore our rep.
All gone. Erased. Bye bye.

WG Members need to really take a good look at themselves.
What sort of clan do you want to be in, and how are you going to act to make it happen?

Every active forum member is to post below acknowledging they have read this.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 02:42 pmTop
   


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Posted: November 10, 2008 02:44 pmTop
   
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Posted: November 10, 2008 02:46 pmTop
   
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I agree, I shall try and spend more time on RSC.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 02:53 pmTop
   
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Read and i agree i will try and be more active on RSC and sadly i am quite ashamed at the amount flaming that happened over that war

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Posted: November 10, 2008 03:04 pmTop
   
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Read and agree on all, thats a shame....
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 03:04 pmTop
   
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Yeah, well said.
I do remember posting a thing or two flaming SA in the past, it was based on the feelings I and many others had because of their pointless flaming.
I'm willing to apologize though, I suppose.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 03:12 pmTop
   
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Posted: November 10, 2008 03:20 pmTop
   
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Here is the SA apology topic.
You need to register to post or view.

http://solarangels.org/Forums//index.php?showtopic=1037
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 03:41 pmTop
   
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Yeah I understand what I said merits a warn/ban. So punish me as I deserve it
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 04:10 pmTop
   
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Thank you very much for your apology and im also very sorry it got to such a extent.

I also complicment the talent you have to fix situations its the second time now your character surprises me.

I apreciate your sirerity and apologies and i also apologize for our behavior.


He's a warlord of SA.
This is what good clan diplomacy looks like.
If WG just tried a little harder not to defend themselves so much...
People will warm up to us.
Let the guard down.
If someone flames, let it go.

Here is proof. My way gets results.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 04:18 pmTop
   


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Read, understood and to be quite frank, not too terribly surprised this happened or that it won't happen again.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 04:19 pmTop
   
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GF WG U FAIL

When have we not spammed for piles ourselves.

Read. And i'm zybex exclusive so i'm already active.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 04:20 pmTop
   
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Really, spamming @@@@@ isn't clan spam so they really can't complain, it's just spam. I did read it all however.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 04:22 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Maddness990 @ November 10, 2008 04:20 pm)
Really, spamming @@@@@ isn't clan spam so they really can't complain, it's just spam. I did read it all however.

If you were spamming that and you got reported by SA, you'd be pissed at them too.
I totally understand that SA was pissed at us for reporting them for that.
And you know deep down we didn't do it to uphold RS rules.
We did it out of spite.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 04:34 pmTop
   
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Read and understood.

I actually haven't even posted on the SA Victory topic because of all the flames going back and forth, just wanted to stay out of it and not give them another WG target.

In any case, I'll post on the apology topic and be more active in the Clan Discussion section of RSC again.

Come on guys. We all love this clan. Let's at least try to preserve what scrap of nobility we have left and try to construct a new image of WG as the honorable clan it is.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 05:15 pmTop
   
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Read, understood, and agreed. To those who reported and flamed, I hope you realize how selfish your actions are.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 05:18 pmTop
   


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I'm always active on RSC and I made a topic in Level 1 about this. This whole episode was absolute bullshit guys, reporting people for spamming? Rot does that, not WG.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 05:20 pmTop
   


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Another dissapointment from WG..
if you know you're gonna flame, or gonna start badmouthing at them.
Do not post.
You represent WG as a whole on RSC. It's not your personal thought you're putting on there.

 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 05:43 pmTop
   
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Ugh that was a horrible bit of bullshit they posted.
Although they do have a point, some of the behaviour I saw just on the winning topic was absolutely disgraceful.

 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 05:54 pmTop
   
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Xtozze is a tit.

I don't see how you respect him. He's like one of those girls at school who bitch about you behind you're back. He'll act serious up front then go whine at his girlfriend. I know them both too well.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 07:03 pmTop
   
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Read and understand. If you post a link to the SA forum topic I'll reply, even though I wasn't there XD.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 07:35 pmTop
   


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I read it. Heads up, Dale's gonna go on about this, and say that it's out of spite and that he did nothing wrong.
 
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Posted: November 10, 2008 07:37 pmTop
   
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Read, registered and posted.

Glad your on top of this stuff Elias.

I hope as a clan, we will think about our public actions alot more carefully in the future. Elias is back with us and we need to support him. Thanks Elias.

I will be watching tip it for any thing mentioned about us as well.
 
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“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.”
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Posted: November 10, 2008 07:39 pmTop
   


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What a mess...
 
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