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Posted: December 25, 2008 03:23 am  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75    | Now first off, people that might feel targeted by this topic, well don't. It's not directed at you, I'm just wondering what people's feelings about this is. Don't take offense. I've recently seen members of WG doing some formerly considered no honor activities. It involved rushing members and trying to kill them before they are quick enough to react and fight back. When I was in WG last, which was probably at least a year ago, a member would get a serious talking to, let alone a WG leader(again, don't take offense). Has things changed ever since PvP worlds have came out? Is killing someone when they have no chance of fighting back really honorable? Should WG still be considered an anti-rPking clan? I feel like WG is becoming less anti-rpking centralized and more just plain community centralized. Please, respectfully discuss. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 03:44 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Angus0000 Group: Emeritus Posts: 705 Member No.: 572 Joined: May 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 128 | I don't really see the issue if someone is skulled on a PVP world. I mean, it's the same idea that's behind rushing the gdz. --------------------  | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 03:53 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | KO'ing a skulled PK'er on a clan PK'ing trip has never been no honour  We're still heavily ARPK based, it's what the clan was founded on, in fact a month or two ago someone was instantly kicked for PJ'ing and killing dragon slayers. As far as I know no WG member has done anything NH since then, such as PJ'ing, killing skillers and so on. I also don't see how the guy we're piling, ONE person at a time, will have the chance to fight back vs +50 options l: --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 04:03 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | I would normally agree with what you have said, but PvP worlds sort of negate the innocence of anyone on those worlds. They know the dangers of being on the PvP worlds, so we shouldn't feel any remorse for mercilessly slaughtering them.  --------------------  Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 05:04 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | Didn't skillers know the risk to the wilderness but skilled there despite it? I think part of being an honor clan is fighting respectfully, not just making excuses for why you can kill certain players because they know what they're going into. People in clan wars have a chance to fight back because they are fighting with their clan (hopefully). -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 05:08 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Spicy63 Group: Emeritus Posts: 785 Member No.: 50 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | I'm going to have to agree here. Even if it's a PvP World, like said, can be compared to the Wilderness of before. Rushing while soloing, if it was the same as before back when there was Edgeville Pking. Just running up and speccing someone prior to even asking them for a fight? I would still consider that honorless, but on that time you are not representing your clan, you're soloing. But it still can leave a sour representation to others. And would think it be to be highly discouraged. --------------------   | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 05:08 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | I would say yes, I've watched DMs in Edgeville in the old wilderness and to protect from rushing a person would put on protect from melee. It's the same concept now, if you're PKing with a clan, a team, or alone you should be ready to be attacked. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 05:36 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
Well, yes, but we have to remain antiRPKers for tradition's sake and honour's sake too. So even if they are on a PvP world, they have to be PKing. --------------------  | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 07:36 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | I admit, I am one of those people. I rush people with D claws, hoping for a ko. However, all of these people are skulled OR dharokers, who are there to fight. I still remain with the ARPK tradition, as I dont attack skillers, just pkers. --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 08:02 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | if you dont want to die use a non pvp world.. easy -------------------- | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 08:22 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 |
Imo thats fine. If they are there to pk, however you kill them is fine, as long as you dont pj etc. Whats wrong with rushing them? You run up to somebody with a whip hitting constant 30+s and ko them, thats fine. Whats wrong with doing it with D claws? It's the same thing. --------------------    | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 08:41 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Ranma344 Group: Emeritus Posts: 759 Member No.: 78 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 24 | Simple solution to all these problems... stop playing runescape, it is a horrible game. --------------------  R.I.P. Lucy ! | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 08:43 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | Here's my stance on Dragon Claws and their use in PVP worlds. Right now, 90% of kids with d claws have max str gear with pray melee, etc. They stand there with run on and potted up. The second they see someone in a fight begin to eat, they pj and get the kill. I think that is no honour. You can also rush people with dragon claws. That is fine. However, make this distinction. It is no honour once you have player jumped them. If they are just standing there on a pk world, they are fair game. Summary: If you have dragon claws, dragon bow, or any other "super" weapon that has potential to do insane amounts of damage quickly, don't use it to player jump. It is against WG rules and will be punnished. EDIT: Ranma. Don't go flaming or talking smack about a game on a clan's forums who are revolved around that game. Give us mutual respect. You may not like the game NOW, but at one point found interest and fun it. Most kids in this clan still play RuneScape for fun, so let us be, okay? I cannot change your views. Hell, you are entitled to them. Just please refrain from bashing the clan. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 09:00 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 |
I am *one* of those kids who stand potted, run on. Yes I do rush people. Just the ones who I suspect will expect it least, the ones who are waiting around saying no to fights, or the ones skulled in gear, or non skulled in Dharok. If thats no honour then discipline me. -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 09:09 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | Do we stop and ask a person with a skull if they want to fight, are they ready to eat, and do they have a teleport incase we get them low when we do raids in the wilderness? No. The same applies to non-wilderness in PvP. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 09:16 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | Dilz. I said for people NOT in fights, go ahead. If you read mine clearly, I chastized pj'ing fights, not people standing. If you're in a fight already, you have a right to pk without interference from others. If you're not, you're fair game. Also. If someone just got a kill, let them loot. Its just as bad as pjing to rush a dharoker low hp after a fight. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 09:17 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 |
I only spec people who warent fighting. Most of them are on full hp, and if they get koed, their fault for not eating/teleing. -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 09:28 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ``Pete Group: Banned Posts: 913 Member No.: 775 Joined: June 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 49 | Honour..? There is no such thing on a stupid game on the internet, i personally in the past have Rc Pk'd, lured, rushed people, killed people up at mage bank, just 'cause i can. It's not because i'm "no honour" it's because it was fun, fun doing it with the people i pk'd with. If people don't want to be killed in a pvp world... Get out of it then, same as when the old wilderness was here. however i haven't done that since the wilderness had dissapeared.. rc pking was one of the best types of pking IMO, if no RC'ers are about could of just had a hybrid fight with any other person there. Anyway, back on subject, times change, things in RS change, so yes i would say things have changed since pvp worlds were released, and since BH was released. -------------------- Mikel Arteta  Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||
Posted: December 25, 2008 09:34 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Spicy63 Group: Emeritus Posts: 785 Member No.: 50 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | Even rushing players, to myself, seems to be honorless. Even in PvP Worlds I would like to expect a fight and have a chance to defend myself and fight. "Rushing" an unexpecting player doesn not give them this chance, they most likely are not even potted. I don't think the arguement of "It's a PvP World, they came here to PK" is valid. The Wilderness was for Pkers back when that's what it was about. Yet, there were still people who went in to do other such things other than PK. Rushing, while soloing to me is an honorless act. The ONLY reason I would see it as semi-acceptable (though discouraged) is because you are solo while doing it, therefore not representing the clan. Though it can still leaving a lasting impression on others. -------------------- | ||
Posted: December 26, 2008 01:20 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | Remember people, this is not a thread about us whining about losing our items from rushers. We are deciding if it is honorable to do so. So the "if you don't wanna be killed don't join a PvP world" isn't exactly an applicable response. As for people that don't believe in honor in Runescape, that's for you to decide, but playing Runescape is like playing any other games (to me at least). Sure, you can cheat in say Soccer(Football) because its fun to win but that does not make it right because you do not believe there is honor to a game. This clan IS or WAS built around the anti-rPking code and I was under the impression that the clan members believe and follow what it stands for. As for PJ'ing vs. rushing. My standpoint on it is, no it is not honorable to rush or PJ. It's just not creating a fair scenario. It should probably not be banned because they ARE in a PvP world, but they ARE in a PvP world when someone PJ's or lures or BS's. That does not take away the fact that the action is dishonorable. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||
Posted: December 26, 2008 01:42 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | As with what Mugger said, when we pk with clan and attack people, without asking, just applies to solo pking aswell. Same rules. -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||
Posted: December 26, 2008 02:40 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mangomaniac2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 536 Member No.: 70 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 63 |
Wha? WHAT? The only thing thats restraining me right now is your last line of "i haven't done that since the wilderness had dissapeared.." As Spicy said earlier, the new PvP worlds are comparable to the old wilderness. People used to go to the old wilderness to train, skill, or mine some rune. Innocent people go into PvP worlds to get potential now, in hopes of getting some good drops. Its the same concept. People knew that they were in danger when they walked into the wilderness, and we came to protect them. I hope we're not about to just start attacking innocent players in PvP worlds. Pkers are fine, but unskulled players isn't right. --------------------  | ||
Posted: December 26, 2008 03:28 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: ``Pete Group: Banned Posts: 913 Member No.: 775 Joined: June 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 49 |
Ok, i'm stood there, not skulled, in normal "pvp type" Pking gear, what would you do? A. Rush me since you know i'm in pking gear therefore probably pking. B. Oh there's someone not skulled i'll not attack that person, even though they're pking. That's like saying you musn't kill dharok pkers unskulled, it's not right! they're just innocent people! Discuss  -------------------- Mikel Arteta Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||
Posted: December 26, 2008 04:21 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | What I think is that even pkers deserve to be fought respectfully. Saying "Oh there's a pker, now I'm allowed to do whatever tactics it takes to kill them" is not what I believe is honorable. It seems like you guys think that if a person is out to PK, all rules are lost and you may do whatever you'd like. Now this probably doesn't go under the lines of anti-rPking but it does go under the lines of being honorable vs. dishonorable. Oh and everyone, try not to target on one person when you say what you want to say. It can lead to flame wars  -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||
Posted: December 26, 2008 07:00 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Hobbo690 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 147 Member No.: 1497 Joined: November 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 9 | i dont solo or team pk much so never really understood whats honourable and whats not. Only pk with wg so i get orders which means i dont get in trouble. Dont really see a problem in this as these days lots of pkers would use nh tactics to kill you if you didnt to them. --------------------  | ||
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