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Posted: December 28, 2008 05:17 am  | |||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | I have today met with the council, minus Glenn as he is away. We have restructured the application system. The New Application System We have categorised the application into five steps. Step 1 - Reading the Rules and Requirements Step 2 - Writing the Introduction Step 3 - Validation Step 4 - Application Form Step 5 - Trial Members THE BIG CHANGES: The New Validation Step Basically, they have one of four options to validate themselves. SMS service, 2 Referrals, Ex-Member, Ex-Top Clan. These four methods are enough to stop most spies, and ensure activity, which are the two goals of Validation. New Intro Form Down to 5 Questions from 13. This means less waffle, and its easier to fill out. This might encourage people to make an intro. The 5 questions pretty much do the same job as the old intro. New Application Form Down to 10 questions from 18, and much simpler. We've removed all the rubbish like asking for their Runescape names and definitions. Trial Stage Read this, it is important. This does not apply to our current trials. Only the ones who are accepted with the new system. Trials are going to be treated like FA's. They will be under supervision, and while they are members of WG, they are on a sort of probation. Council members have the right to kick them for flaming or anything like that because THEIR PLACE IN WG IS NOT YET SOLIDIFIED. Trials currently are pretty much seen as full members, but the council NEEDS to be able to kick them much more readily if need be. It is only after graduation that a clan member should get "locked in". If a trial is flaming, the council will kick them, rather than giving warnings out as they would to a full member. Current trials are safe from this. In 3 weeks time though, trial forum access will be slightly reduced. Referring Take referring much more seriously. Don't just go "Yeah ok I'll help you get in." You HAVE to actually get to know them. Spend a good amount of time getting to know them and ensuring they are not spies and not inactive. Seriously there's been a rise in the amount of spies in clans. Don't just agree to refer anyone. You HAVE to get to know them properly. ________ Example introductions and applications are provided in each of the forums. The whole concept of these changes is to make it easier to get into WG, and harder to stay in. Please visit the forums and check out the changes. --------------------  | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 05:19 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Interesting, how do we stop council bias? -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 05:20 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
We can't, but then, when is the council biased? Rarely if ever. -------------------- | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 05:23 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | I saw the changes earlier. I like them a whole lot. Good job to the council + Elias. I like the idea of the change on trial members. --------------------      | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 05:42 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Kero2|bryan Group: Guest Posts: 1302 Member No.: 91 Joined: January 2, 2008 Total Events Attended: 26 | Lols council baisis  Alright sounds good Lols i know how much of a hassle answering all dat shit is lol -------------------- Best pure f2p Guardian  Post here http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...owtopic=20&st=0   | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 06:34 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Ret[Keith] Group: Emeritus Posts: 2049 Member No.: 86 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 82 | Should put a describe yourself word minimum though, just knowing someone's name and that they like music doesn't seem enough to establish a sense that you know the person well. -------------------- Best Firemaker in WG no lie   <--- rofl1st joined WG: October 18th, 2005. Ex-WG mod, OPH winner  ^My original idea (U GOIN DOWN TWIZ)^ 189th person to get "100" firemaking Hash Unit, Tun Unit, C-Unit    | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 08:14 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | good improvement, i especially like the new part about referal. although i doubt people will be likely to give up their phone numbers before even becoming trial, but the part about ex-top clan is good. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 10:38 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Ubg Fcbruges Group: Emeritus Posts: 1209 Member No.: 1373 Joined: October 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | Good changes made there... More stricter but also reduced the amount of questions to get more members  Good job. --------------------  Portfolio ~~ WG Emeritus - 20 November 2010 ~~ ~~ WG Higher Guardian - 10 November 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Emeritus - 2 July 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Higher Guardian - 27 February 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Guardian - 12 December 2008 ~~ ~~ WG Trial Guardian - 30 October 2008 ~~ | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 11:17 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | Alright, this is all a good idea. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: December 28, 2008 11:24 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Flippie||Afk Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1708 Member No.: 55 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | I liked the old Intro-Form. But other then that, these updates will help us. Good thing you're getting more strict with the trial guardians  -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/ZitherBand Support my Friends!  | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 11:29 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gusmighster Group: Emeritus Posts: 1360 Member No.: 46 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Agree with it all, good job Elias + Council. --------------------  | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 12:07 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | Wow, it looks amazingly organised! I love how you guys set that up, I'm sure a person would be able to follow it. Well done Council, it's organisation is turning me on xD Ah, and I see you took out the wafffle qwestions, yes, probably the best move, it should be fairly easier to fill it out now. It's also quite direct & straight to the point. And I totally agree with Council being able to kick Trials, it'll clear up a lot of misunderstandings in the future. Very nice, good job =) ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 04:05 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | My opinions: - Take away the SMS Service as a means for being validated. It's kind of like an insult. Obviously you give other means (Ex-member, referrals, Ex-Top Clan) but it can be seen as prying into their personal lives way to soon. It obviously shows trust and commitment to WG, but for them it might be slightly intimidating. I doubt you'll ever get someone to validate that way at all using that method, which is why I say get rid of it for that use. - Shortened forms sounds great. Haven't looked at them yet, but less questions is usually better. I personally would suggest to have a length requirement at least for the application, not the introduction. Can't say much more on that until I see the new forms. - I like the way the new Trial Guardian is structured. Really should have been that way from the start. Maybe outline some rules that Trial Guardians have to read so they know what can and will get them banned. - I have been waiting for a referral system like that. Made a suggestion to make that part of the application like that, but obviously until now nothing has happened. Very happy to see this. I still expect people to just say "Can you refer me please?" even if they don't know the person well enough yet. Just hearing that this is being implemented is great. Overall, great announcement. Most things are much needed. --------------------  | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 04:11 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | It was very well organized, the fact that the next step you have to do is right at the bottom of the topic on the previous step helped a lot. The reduced questions was also pretty helpful and your still getting everything that you need for a decent application. I also agree with colonel however, I was never a big fan of SMS for validation but if you feel it is necessary keep it. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 07:29 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | Okay... -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||
Posted: December 28, 2008 10:36 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ``Pete Group: Banned Posts: 913 Member No.: 775 Joined: June 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 49 | SMS service before trial member, lol. "I demand thy phone number before i let you in my clan!" kinda funny. -------------------- Mikel Arteta  Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||
Posted: December 29, 2008 06:00 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: spanthrax Group: Ex-Member Posts: 813 Member No.: 29 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 37 | well done council. this major over haul of the application process was long overdue and greatly needed. great job again really well done. --------------------  | ||
Posted: December 29, 2008 06:47 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 | Trial thing only thin that seems changed to me -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||
Posted: December 29, 2008 05:42 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | SMS fails. It is very uncomfortable even for me. I don't give out my phone number. Only one WG member has that. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: December 30, 2008 02:46 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Hobbo690 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 147 Member No.: 1497 Joined: November 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 9 | nice i like it but wats the cut off for ex top clan? is it like corr or would it be lower like rune raiders? --------------------  | ||
Posted: January 1, 2009 07:28 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | As a trial guardian, this topic is of special interest. Your old process was thorogh but I found the referral part challenging. I happen to be good friends with Joe, which is how I learned of your clan, its requirements, and activities. Asking a stranger to refer me was shall we say difficult but there again Joe smoothed the way for me. He introduced me to Lefty who was kind enough after chatting with me for a while to refer me. The complication is that there is a one month graduation period. If you do not know someone in WG, interacting with someone and meeting the graduation time might be a reach. I absolutely agree with the need to keep your options open when it comes to kicking someone for cause and I assumed that this applies to me. If it doesn't, it should because it is important to determine if someone "fits" into an organization and it is important for that person to determine if they fit. Therefore, I, respectfully, suggest that you consider on a case by case basis extending the trial period and the probationary period to better determine if there is a fit. -------------------- | ||
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