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Posted: December 28, 2008 11:02 pmTop
   
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Hey guys, I figured I would post some of my thought about the war, since a recap hasn't been made yet.

THE GOOD STUFF

1. The turnout (this can go in either secton, so bear with me) - We pulled a respectable 52 people to this war. On a sunday. Not too bad. I believe we pulled 39 people to our last full-out war. So our numbers are steadily improving, which is great.

2. Organization - It was decent. Not great, but decent. No major complaints here.


THE BAD STUFF

1. Binding - As usual, this makes the list of things we really need to work on. I am also at fault for this one. We just need everyone to have binds and not be afraid to use them. We killed their snipers early on, so I'm not sure why everyone was scared to put on their robes and shoot off some binds.

2. Turnout - 87 regular members + 41(?) emeritus = 128 people. We pulled 52. That's a 40% turnout. 40% doesn't cut it in the clan world.

3. Getting KOed - Always has been a problem, probably always will be. At least half the clan got downed within 5-10 seconds of getting piled. Seriously guys...since nobody was binding, you should have already had your rune on...so all you have to do is turn on prayer, run around stuff and eat. If you still have trouble with that, attend tanking practices or go to the clan war worlds and join random clans. It's great tank practice, trust me.



I don't have much else to say. If you point out something that I forgot, I'll edit it in.

We gave it our all, and we did good. They were just better. I'm still proud of you though..we're getting better happy.gif
 
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Posted: December 28, 2008 11:26 pmTop
   
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The problem is... our anti-snipe.
The second we put robes on we were hit very bad by many of their snipers.
At one point I was hit 21, 18, 13 all at once....
That's bad, so bad that I only had 6 pizzas left by the time I was piled... = I was ko'ed pretty fast, so yeah neko2.gif
 
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Posted: December 28, 2008 11:29 pmTop
   
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The problem was the 10 ppl running around in rune. If ur getting hit by snipers, rune on and theyll go off. Then put ur robes back on quickly.
 
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Posted: December 28, 2008 11:42 pmTop
   
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Their binding was quite good actually. I was not able to move but a few times when I was getting piled. We just have to get like that, and have the ability to not be scared to pull those robes out.
 
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Posted: December 28, 2008 11:43 pmTop
   
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Posted: December 28, 2008 11:54 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Whizzy110 @ December 28, 2008 11:43 pm)
Its my fault we lost. Sorry.

You always blame yourself, which is 1 of your major flaws imo. You cant just take the blame, when everybody knows it WASN'T your fault.

They had amazing binds, moved a step, got binded, and so on, thats what we need tbh. I got koed, but at least i lasted a little while, 30+ Members on you whilest not moving with 79 def, aint a good combination if we're honest.

Yes i know my defence is bad, and YES i am training, got 200k XP in a matter of 4 or 5 hours in the past 2 days. Was barely on yesterday, and woke up late today, so i couldnt do much more. Im ill atm, so i wasn't going to spend all day on the computer with a head ache and sickness for the sake of 1 defence level.


However im sure we will do better next time around! smile.gif
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 12:12 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Whizzy110 @ December 28, 2008 11:43 pm)
Its my fault we lost. Sorry.

How the hell was it your fault Jess??

Just...no
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 12:15 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Whizzy110 @ December 28, 2008 11:43 pm)
Its my fault we lost. Sorry.

If you don't have a positive attitude, then we're all screwed, the blame could be put on anybody.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 12:17 amTop
   
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My electric was out and I was unable to make it in time, but I watched. There were a few people lagging badly. I saw one of our typically strong war people a lil rusty at war. They were more organized in calling their piles. Just by viewing I could tell who they were attacking. Their spam was a bit better too.

I'm planning on training one att and one defense lvl myself. With that I should gain a combat lvl and a hp lvl.

Jess, I know being a girl means you have to try twice as hard to prove yourself. You do great at this stuff. Don't compare yourself or put yourself down. Your doing great and keep up the good work. Your awesome at alot of stuff, not just war. Your personality gives you a +10 on all stats. tighthug.gif
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 03:24 amTop
   
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I'll go more in-depth later. Just one thing:

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2. Turnout - 87 regular members + 41(?) emeritus = 128 people. We pulled 52. That's a 40% turnout. 40% doesn't cut it in the clan world.


That's counting emeritus as regular members, which is pretty pointless. Emeritus are emeritus because they likely can't make events for one reason or another. Sure, full-out wars should be an exception in an ideal world, but often people have good reasons for being emeritus, so you can't count on them like that.

If we start telling people we have 128 members, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. Its realisticly more of a 50% turnout, which still isn't fantastic but bearing in mind the time of year (and a sunday, as you said), its pretty good.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 04:42 amTop
   
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The only way to improve on our faults is to realize them. Don't be afraid to bind. Snipers aren't that scary. Binding is what wins wars 90% of them so we need to make sure that the majority of us have binds and are using them.

Attendance will always fluctuate but for the amount of members we have it shouldn't be difficult to maintain 50.

I think the issue regarding people geting KO'ed is just lack of awareness or cracking under pressure. I am confident that most of us know how and can tank fairly well, its just and focus on things such as how many are left on each side instead of their own characters status.

Things will get better in time if we keep at it.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 04:57 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Tnuac @ December 29, 2008 03:24 am)
I'll go more in-depth later. Just one thing:

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2. Turnout - 87 regular members + 41(?) emeritus = 128 people. We pulled 52. That's a 40% turnout. 40% doesn't cut it in the clan world.


That's counting emeritus as regular members, which is pretty pointless. Emeritus are emeritus because they likely can't make events for one reason or another. Sure, full-out wars should be an exception in an ideal world, but often people have good reasons for being emeritus, so you can't count on them like that.

If we start telling people we have 128 members, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. Its realisticly more of a 50% turnout, which still isn't fantastic but bearing in mind the time of year (and a sunday, as you said), its pretty good.

I know what emeritus is. I maintained that rank for like a year. I'm just saying that out of all the things emeritus don't have to do, I don't think attending 1 war is too bad. I think we should be able to at least count on a few of them showing up.

And even if I don't count emeritus, that's still a pretty shitty turnout.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 06:51 amTop
   
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The major reason we lost is the constant number of us getting koed. Have you noticed how many of us got taken down in like 5 seconds. Even when there were only 30 of them left there were constant kos. Tanking isnt that hard tbh eat run around in circles and pray. Its not the levels either its just the lack of skill and the lack of training.

AND JESSEH GAWD I SAID ITS NOT YOUR fAULT.

Were going to change thinsg around here no more kos. Or barb wire and hot sauce up your ass.
 
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As I said before, there's one problem with the practicing on not getting KO'd. We usually don't pull that many people to War practice. Although you can learn a lot about wars in practice with 10 people, you aren't pressured enough to know what its like to be piled by 40 people instead. I think one of our problems was that people didn't know that they needed to react as fast as they had to to not get ko'd. And yes, our binding was some what of a problem, but half way through the fight we lost half our people and they still had a lot so they had more offensive power than we had anyway. I tried my best to be in robes whenever possible (when they weren't about to call another pile) and that one sniper just got me every time to where I was half way out of food when they piled me even when I switched back to rune.

And everyone NEEDS to bring robes and runes. I know some people didn't bring them. Either that or they were just terrified of the snipers.

Oh and Jess of course it wasn't you're fault. Everyone panics a little when they get under pressure like that and we weren't necessarily prepared for the switch up of callers.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 07:18 amTop
   
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Colin writes about how we can all improve yet he himself is only 106 f2p.
Improve on the faults yourself, you've only gained 1 cmb lvl in the past 26 weeks.

I hate people who write personal war recaps.
That's the raid leaders job.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 07:31 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Mathsnerd18 @ December 29, 2008 07:18 am)
Colin writes about how we can all improve yet he himself is only 106 f2p.
Improve on the faults yourself, you've only gained 1 cmb lvl in the past 26 weeks.

I hate people who write personal war recaps.
That's the raid leaders job.

Boy, you make a great point, except...I was one of the only people to NOT GET KOED. So next time you want to flame me for my combat level(sorry I have a life), use some fucking logic. It's not about levels. It's about skill. I know level 126s that get koed way more often than I do.

Having a lower level is not a fault. I've gone from level 86-106 in 4 years. I don't train a lot. But does that stop me from doing my job in wars? Fuck no.

And writing a personal recap for the benefit of the clan is the raid leader's job? I've got news for you, nobody wrote a fucking recap so I DID. WELL I'm so sorry for taking some initiative and trying to help out my clan. And what the fuck are you doing? Pissing on other peoples' work. Other people are helping. You are hurting. Sure, you've been in this clan before, but you are currently a trial member. Trials should be showing respect and maturity if they wish to remain a member of this community. Way to fail.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 07:33 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Colinwarrior @ December 29, 2008 05:31 pm)
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Colin writes about how we can all improve yet he himself is only 106 f2p.
Improve on the faults yourself, you've only gained 1 cmb lvl in the past 26 weeks.

I hate people who write personal war recaps.
That's the raid leaders job.

Boy, you make a great point, except...I was one of the only people to NOT GET KOED. So next time you want to flame me for my combat level(sorry I have a life), use some fucking logic. It's not about levels. It's about skill. I know level 126s that get koed way more often than I do.

Having a lower level is not a fault. I've gone from level 86-106 in 4 years. I don't train a lot. But does that stop me from doing my job in wars? Fuck no.

And writing a personal recap for the benefit of the clan is the raid leader's job? I've got news for you, nobody wrote a fucking recap so I DID. WELL I'm so sorry for taking some initiative and trying to help out my clan. And what the fuck are you doing? Pissing on other peoples' work. Other people are helping. You are hurting. You may be an ex-member, but you are currently a trial member. Trials should be showing respect and maturity if they wish to remain a member of this community. Way to fail.

I'm not flaming you.
I'm pointing out you could be more useful if you trained.
Please refrain from writing aggressive posts towards people in the future.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 07:37 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Mathsnerd18 @ December 29, 2008 07:33 am)
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Colin writes about how we can all improve yet he himself is only 106 f2p.
Improve on the faults yourself, you've only gained 1 cmb lvl in the past 26 weeks.

I hate people who write personal war recaps.
That's the raid leaders job.

Boy, you make a great point, except...I was one of the only people to NOT GET KOED. So next time you want to flame me for my combat level(sorry I have a life), use some fucking logic. It's not about levels. It's about skill. I know level 126s that get koed way more often than I do.

Having a lower level is not a fault. I've gone from level 86-106 in 4 years. I don't train a lot. But does that stop me from doing my job in wars? Fuck no.

And writing a personal recap for the benefit of the clan is the raid leader's job? I've got news for you, nobody wrote a fucking recap so I DID. WELL I'm so sorry for taking some initiative and trying to help out my clan. And what the fuck are you doing? Pissing on other peoples' work. Other people are helping. You are hurting. You may be an ex-member, but you are currently a trial member. Trials should be showing respect and maturity if they wish to remain a member of this community. Way to fail.

I'm not flaming you.
I'm pointing out you could be more useful if you trained.
Please refrain from writing aggressive posts towards people in the future.

Flaming..flame-baiting..it's all the same thing. Don't do it.

Don't fucking tell me what to do. I can't believe we let you into this clan again.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 07:40 amTop
   
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As a trial guardian i'm horrified by the amount of swearing that comes from elite members, people which I'm supposed to look up to neko2.gif
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 07:42 amTop
   
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Go cry about it.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 07:44 amTop
   
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I'd argue more, but I really don't see the point.
It's the internet lol happy.gif
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 09:05 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Mathsnerd18 @ December 29, 2008 07:18 am)
Colin writes about how we can all improve yet he himself is only 106 f2p.
Improve on the faults yourself, you've only gained 1 cmb lvl in the past 26 weeks.

I hate people who write personal war recaps.
That's the raid leaders job.

Levels are not everything. A find that a lvl 100 who attends events and wars, binds at wars, knows how to tank, anti-rpks, shows respect inside and outside the clan, and stays loyal to the clan is more valuable than a 126 who may for one reason or another not do many of these things.

And anyone write a recap, especially an elite guardian and especially if no raid leader is willing to make one. I think it is pretty good recap actually, pretty much what any raid leader would have said.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 10:29 amTop
   
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Colin you have some good points, but you have to remember, in this fight we mainly counted on them pulling their usual 40'ish pull. I don't think anyone expected this to happen :<

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Um Rachel, we're not sexist, I see you mention stuff similar to that a lot of times but come on, just because the majority of the clan are males doesn't necessarily mean females have to do double the work lol.

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It's my fault


I fail in seeing how it is your fault. This war was lost as soon as we entered Clan Wars, mainly because we relied on our numbers to decimate them. I think we should do something about our pull (52 is very nice, but as colin pointed out, it's not great), we had 58 'Yes' signups so I was expecting at least 58, not to mention the 'Unsure' and 'No' people who came. Levels were a factor, but not a deciding one.

Binding is another problem, I didn't bind as usual at this fight because I was getting sniped quite often, so I just did my old binding trick: Rune armour + Druidic top, it means more splashes but a lot less reduced sniping chance.

Organization, we had a little trouble at the start, but after that we were doing very well, could have better sniping but other than that, we did good.

KO's, always bound to happen, best thing to do is to reduce them, by getting at least 90 defence and coming to war trainings and small fights often.

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Improve on the faults yourself, you've only gained 1 cmb lvl in the past 26 weeks.


Come on Maths L.
I'm level 113 F2P with 90 defence only and I managed to tank them for full food. It's not just the levels, we had a few 120's KO'd, I'm sure.
 
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Posted: December 29, 2008 11:12 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Ragingwealth @ December 29, 2008 08:29 pm)
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Colin writes about how we can all improve yet he himself is only 106 f2p.
Improve on the faults yourself, you've only gained 1 cmb lvl in the past 26 weeks.


Come on Maths L.
I'm level 113 F2P with 90 defence only and I managed to tank them for full food. It's not just the levels, we had a few 120's KO'd, I'm sure.

All I'm saying is this:

After every single war we lose, somebody always writes how we can improve.
Yes sure, but like don't you realise that we pulled the same amount?
They have a 119 average compared to our 116.
Its pretty hard to do that stuff.
Can't we just accept a loss as being "outperformed".

And what I mean to colin is.
He always writes these suggestion thingies after wars.
He suggests to the whole clan ideas, but receives no feedback on how he himself can improve.

I'm telling him a direct way to improve.
If he's mastered the tanking + stuff, he can be a better tank by training.
And to colin, if you have such an active real life, why do you have enough time to complain?

Edit: I don't mean it forcefully, its just a suggestion. You suggest how the whole clan can improve, and I suggest how u can improve. Sure it may have come off a bit harsh, but thats just me. I mean no harm by it. People just listen if you tell them directly.
 
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How about we calm down ladies and watch my amusing new signiture.
 
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