Use this topic to discuss the upcoming Elections for 2016 in the USA :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7I92r9GqUw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7I92r9GqUw)
To sum it up both candidates suck. The question is who the lesser of two evils
Bernie forever. The struggle continues!
TRUMP, lets goooo
Thought I'd bump this topic seeing as muricans are closing in on Nov 8th.
Acording to RCP texas is now a "toss-up" l0l: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html)
Still Hillary. I'm always sucker for a centrist president (although there are more reasons I support her than that, mainly because every other candidate is shit). I'm really tired of people trying to convince me Jill Stein is viable, so please don't :P
Not American though, so can't vote. The difference in intelligence of candidates is probably the biggest I've ever seen anywhere.
Quote from: Randy on July 30, 2016, 09:15:56 PM
Quote from: jaredspurr on July 28, 2016, 02:14:54 PM
TRUMP, lets goooo
sigh
Also just saw this. Oh no. I hope you don't also think Tomi Lahren is a valid opinion source on social matters.
Would love to see Trump into office. :D
I consider myself a hardcore conservative... But Trump is just a whack job and don't get me started on Hillary... Jason said it best earlier in the post... If you're voting, its for the lesser of two evils... IF anyone thinks either candidate is a good one... They should be checked into a mental institution. :woeh: :woeh: :woeh: :woeh: :woeh: :woeh:
don't bump this mojo... let me go find a brexit post to bump ##
this particular map showing a very tight race with less than a week to go http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html)
Did I stutter, Mojo? :<
Hahahaha thanks America, you fucked up good.
They are both so damn terrible.
as much as i want trump to win its all rigged
Quote from: jaredspurr on November 04, 2016, 01:58:19 AM
as much as i want trump to win its all rigged
sigh for the second time
Quote from: jaredspurr on November 04, 2016, 01:58:19 AM
as much as i want trump to win its all rigged
Where do I even begin with this comment...
Harambe and pizza 2016
Voted Gary Johnson on a mail-in ballot.
there are more than 2 candidates btw, if you didn't know
http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm (http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm)
Ack.
Also, stop liking Wikileaks articles Gene, that website is as biased as Breitbart when it comes to Hillary Clinton lol
Quote from: Wayshow on November 05, 2016, 07:27:25 PM
Ack.
Also, stop liking Wikileaks articles Gene, that website is as biased as Breitbart when it comes to Hillary Clinton lol
Lol, Wikileaks has never released a false document in 10 years and many hundreds of thousands of items.
I trust them more than any of the major news networks right now.
For a site like Wikileaks (which doesn't actually produce content), being biased means CHOOSING what information they release, and in its case, it's terribly biased against Clinton
You mean, like every news source on Earth?
There's no such thing as an unbiased source. They all filter.
So on the eve of this election, RCP's map has clinton winning by just 6 electoral college votes http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html)
We'll find out the reality in about 25 hours.
As an American I am saddened this is what we've been left with on election day. I don't like to get real political. Your views are your views, but as a younger generation voting American nothing has made me want a political party/system reform more than this election.
I'm still salty over Bernie losing the primary.
Lol'd hard with CNN's The non Americans' guide to US elections. According to them, on Why is the turnout so pathetic?:" ... Compare that with Belgium. In 2014, nearly 90% of those who could vote did."
Nice comparison/research CNN. The glorious and great kingdom of Belgium :3 has compulsory voting, so of course there's gonna be a lot of people voting. :fp:
Quote from: His Lordship on November 08, 2016, 02:43:17 PM
I'm still salty over Bernie losing the primary.
Bernie woulda ended this presidential race months ago
I actually disagree mojo, I think Bernie could have put up a good fight, but he falls into the overly-idealistic-but-with-no-money-or-support-from-congress category that Jill stein falls into, albeit on a smaller level (I.e he didn't make a lie the center part of his platform *cough* Jill stein quantitative easing *cough*)
Ugh. I really really hate populism :@
Quote from: His Lordship on November 08, 2016, 02:01:22 AM
You mean, like every news source on Earth?
There's no such thing as an unbiased source. They all filter.
Different levels of filter, my friend. You have Breitbart(crazy wacko right) then you have the New York Times(lean left). When was the last time Wikileaks released an article about anyone BUT Hillary? Assange also claims there is no dirt on trump. Okay Julian.
Trump Won.
good job colonials :)
We had to one-up Brexit somehow I guess
I have too much to say, so I'll say nothing at all, except in response to Wayshow.
Wikileaks is a highly trusted source according to most journalists. That they have nothing on Trump is possible, since they have nothing on 99.99% of the human race.
Tim, I'm keen to hear what you have to say on this statement: https://wikileaks.org/Assange-Statement-on-the-US-Election.html
And I promise you I will hear you with an open mind.
I don't think I want to talk about any of this anymore
For now
rip
gf usa
The angry, afraid, isolated, uneducated, bible-thumping white males rallied in full force as backlash against 8 years with a successful black and progressive president. This is not an opinion- it is a statistical truth. The baby boomer's final "fuck you" to Washington on their way out of this disgusting chapter of our history books. Trump offered a simpleton solution of "I will fix it" and they ate that shit up without a single moment of critical thinking. They won the battle but they're going to lose the war on progress (if climate change doesn't wipe us out by then, thanks Trump & anti-science morons). Just look at the 18-25 year old vote (the future of America):
(http://i.imgur.com/nMfWMdh.jpg)
Anyways, this sucks and I really feel for the minorities in particular. I hope Trump actually attempts to unify the country and stops his absolutely atrocious behavior and comments otherwise there's no way he makes it 4 years down this road.
I hope your Johnson protest votes are working out for you guys.
OK, we've had enough time to worry over the problem.
It's time to start working on solutions.
We have to push President Trump to the most progressive platform possible.
We have to try our best to give him an open mind as Hillary suggested, because if he is to improve and become a decent human being, he needs goodwill.
We have to stop insulting Trump voters, because alienating them is how they got so energised to turn out to vote in the first place.
We have to protest the hell out of anything stupid he does.
We have to rebuild the DNC so that it's not run by corrupt fuckwits.
There's much more to be done, and on my end (and I'm not joking) I'm running as a candidate for my state government election next year.
I'm tired of sitting back and watching political discourse carry on without my input.
EDIT: Next time the DNC will really believe the people when they say Bernie is the only chance to beat Trump. Stupid fuckfaces didn't listen the first time.
Trump has a concerning stance on climate change: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37928593 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37928593)
Quote from: Mojo on November 10, 2016, 05:30:24 PM
Trump has a concerning stance on climate change: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37928593 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37928593)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385)
It's easy to talk about unity, Gene, but it's not going to happen for a while and you know it.
Outside the northeast, my boyfriend's sister who's from Chicago is straight, but since she has a gay brother she was called "scum of the earth"
On her college campus in Kentucky (University of Kentucky, so not some small liberal arts college. Also a red millennial state), there have been cases of sexual assault, POC have been harassed ("Go home," "this is our land" etc), and policemen are everywhere. Muslim women on her campus are walking around without hijabs because they fear being assaulted.
Unity is an easy thing to say when you're not faced with overwhelming odds. Fuck unity. If the Trump bums preach unity and treat us with bigotry and discrimination, don't expect us to take it quietly.
On another note, I'm looking into taking self defense classes, because as a Gay, POC immigrant, I doubt Trump nation will treat me with any scrap of kindness.
Last note, I'm never leaving Massachusetts, and I'm going to spend the rest of my time here extremely blazed.
What the hell happened to you Tim? You've become really cynical and bitter since I last knew you.
One of the things I've always liked best about you was how positive you could be in this community.
That you couldn't reach out to Trump voters was part of the reason they got angry enough to vote in such large numbers.
Don't tell me about discrimination. I've had far more years of being a minority in a racist country than you have (and I was obese, antisocial and grew up in a rough neighbourhood), and I'm still working toward unity with as much optimism as I can muster.
If you want to run away from the discussion again because you don't have the ability and life skills to cope with a different moral stance to yours, then be my guest.
Quote from: Wayshow on November 11, 2016, 03:26:02 AM
It's easy to talk about unity, Gene, but it's not going to happen for a while and you know it.
Outside the northeast, my boyfriend's sister who's from Chicago is straight, but since she has a gay brother she was called "scum of the earth"
On her college campus in Kentucky (University of Kentucky, so not some small liberal arts college. Also a red millennial state), there have been cases of sexual assault, POC have been harassed ("Go home," "this is our land" etc), and policemen are everywhere. Muslim women on her campus are walking around without hijabs because they fear being assaulted.
Unity is an easy thing to say when you're not faced with overwhelming odds. Fuck unity. If the Trump bums preach unity and treat us with bigotry and discrimination, don't expect us to take it quietly.
On another note, I'm looking into taking self defense classes, because as a Gay, POC immigrant, I doubt Trump nation will treat me with any scrap of kindness.
Last note, I'm never leaving Massachusetts, and I'm going to spend the rest of my time here extremely blazed.
Lucky for you MA is liberal AF ##
Reach out to the disenfranchised? The democratic and Republican Party both failed to do that
Don't me cynical when you're not 10 miles away from this bullshit, because the bullshit isn't going away for the next 4 years.
Yes, because i've never seen discrimination in my life.
It's as if you didn't realise I voted in the Brexit referendum and had to face racism then...
Or grown up with racist remarks hurled toward me in school playgrounds.
I really wish you'd give me more credit. I've felt hate my entire life, and I know I'll keep getting it.
Be concerned, be motivated, be involved, but don't give them more reason to hate you and our kind.
Look at solutions, not problems; we can show them we're not so different to them and they don't need to be scared of us.
If you're going to spout hatred toward them, then you're just creating more racists.
Jonathan Pie summed it up nicely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs)
See, I'm used to racial slurs already. What I'm not used to is people threatening to use violence on me for no reason. I'm not used to the mass legitimization of hatred and bigotry. It's not my responsibility to heal that. It's the responsibility of the person who empowered them, and if he doesn't, you think it's smart for me to go hug he person who holds a fist to my face?
Quote from: Wayshow on November 11, 2016, 05:36:29 PM
You think it's smart for me to go hug he person who holds a fist to my face?
I do, I really, really do. You can't fight hate with hate. I've tried it, and it just creates more violence.
You are a victim, but you don't have to be helpless. They have responsibility to change, but I think you have an obligation to make that change easier.
I know it's the harder option, forgiving. It's damn hard. But it's the one true way to set things straight.
And while this may sound stupid, my time in WG has also shown me a lot about hate.
Sure it's just the internet, or so you say, but the way I create more haters is to start getting defensive and playing victim, then telling them how wrong they are.
If I want to change someone's mind for the better, I lower their defenses by listening, understanding their point of view, and letting them know that I'm not waiting to jump down their throat with my own opinion.
I didn't do that very well here with you, I have to admit.
Quote from: Randy on November 10, 2016, 03:17:45 AM
The angry, afraid, isolated, uneducated, bible-thumping white males rallied in full force as backlash against 8 years with a successful black and progressive president. This is not an opinion- it is a statistical truth. The baby boomer's final "fuck you" to Washington on their way out of this disgusting chapter of our history books. Trump offered a simpleton solution of "I will fix it" and they ate that shit up without a single moment of critical thinking. They won the battle but they're going to lose the war on progress (if climate change doesn't wipe us out by then, thanks Trump & anti-science morons). Just look at the 18-25 year old vote (the future of America):
(http://i.imgur.com/nMfWMdh.jpg)
Anyways, this sucks and I really feel for the minorities in particular. I hope Trump actually attempts to unify the country and stops his absolutely atrocious behavior and comments otherwise there's no way he makes it 4 years down this road.
I hope your Johnson protest votes are working out for you guys.
sorry - the second you start name calling, you essentially lose credibility. I'm a Canadian conservative, and i know exactly why he won, and Michael Moore got it 100% right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDRqeuLNag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDRqeuLNag)
Take a listen.
Quote from: Mochacho456 on November 13, 2016, 05:33:23 PM
Quote from: Randy on November 10, 2016, 03:17:45 AM
The angry, afraid, isolated, uneducated, bible-thumping white males rallied in full force as backlash against 8 years with a successful black and progressive president. This is not an opinion- it is a statistical truth. The baby boomer's final "fuck you" to Washington on their way out of this disgusting chapter of our history books. Trump offered a simpleton solution of "I will fix it" and they ate that shit up without a single moment of critical thinking. They won the battle but they're going to lose the war on progress (if climate change doesn't wipe us out by then, thanks Trump & anti-science morons). Just look at the 18-25 year old vote (the future of America):
(http://i.imgur.com/nMfWMdh.jpg)
Anyways, this sucks and I really feel for the minorities in particular. I hope Trump actually attempts to unify the country and stops his absolutely atrocious behavior and comments otherwise there's no way he makes it 4 years down this road.
I hope your Johnson protest votes are working out for you guys.
sorry - the second you start name calling, you essentially lose credibility
Does that same logic apply to Donald Trump who has name called and insulted virtually every minority group and countless individuals? What about his legion of supporters that have been calling Obama a Kenyan muslim terrorist for 8 years? It is such a clusterfuck of hypocrisy for the conservatives of America to claim the moral high ground and call for unity after using nothing BUT racist and divisive rhetoric. Seriously, go dig up any news article about Obama from the past 8 years and read the incredibly classy comments.
I'm well aware that many Trump supporters are good people and many Hillary supporters are not so much. But an overwhelming amount of American voters decided that racism and sexual assault are not deal breakers when electing their leader. Michael Moore may be right in that people are angry about the establishment not working for them but they voted for a complete monster to be their champion who is normalizing absolutely disgusting thoughts and actions. Not all Trump supporters are racist but all racists are Trump supporters.
Also I stand completely by my claim that anyone who denies climate change is a moron. That's an understatement actually.
Being angry at stupid people does nothing constructive. It just gives you a bit of emotional expression - that's it.
If you actually want change to happen, you can't approach them in a condescending way, and simply dismiss their legitimate concerns about job and border security.
They elected the wrong person to help them, but stupid people don't know they're stupid. Telling them they are just makes them do stupid things, so be careful.
On a completely unrelated note, TIL that Donald Trump is 70 years old.
There's me thinking he's probably late 40s to mid 50s at the latest. Damn he's got some stamina.
70 is the new 40? My biology professor ran 70 miles for his 70th birthday
edit: But this shit is screwed up. Wonder what it'd take for the electors to vote Hillary in. And in other news, there is now a proposed bill that would remove the electoral college. What do you guys think about that system?
Sounds like a good idea to me. It's an outdated and unnecessary system with modern technology, and Trump is actually the 4th time that a president has won despite having lost the popular vote.
Quote from: Vio on November 16, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
Sounds like a good idea to me. It's an outdated and unnecessary system with modern technology, and Trump is actually the 4th time that a president has won despite having lost the popular vote.
good idea but not happening.
It needs a 2/3 majority in senate/house and apparently 3/4 of states to approve it too.
(http://i.imgur.com/mvEf8bN.jpg)
Quote from: Randy on November 15, 2016, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: Mochacho456 on November 13, 2016, 05:33:23 PM
Quote from: Randy on November 10, 2016, 03:17:45 AM
The angry, afraid, isolated, uneducated, bible-thumping white males rallied in full force as backlash against 8 years with a successful black and progressive president. This is not an opinion- it is a statistical truth. The baby boomer's final "fuck you" to Washington on their way out of this disgusting chapter of our history books. Trump offered a simpleton solution of "I will fix it" and they ate that shit up without a single moment of critical thinking. They won the battle but they're going to lose the war on progress (if climate change doesn't wipe us out by then, thanks Trump & anti-science morons). Just look at the 18-25 year old vote (the future of America):
(http://i.imgur.com/nMfWMdh.jpg)
Anyways, this sucks and I really feel for the minorities in particular. I hope Trump actually attempts to unify the country and stops his absolutely atrocious behavior and comments otherwise there's no way he makes it 4 years down this road.
I hope your Johnson protest votes are working out for you guys.
sorry - the second you start name calling, you essentially lose credibility
Does that same logic apply to Donald Trump who has name called and insulted virtually every minority group and countless individuals? What about his legion of supporters that have been calling Obama a Kenyan muslim terrorist for 8 years? It is such a clusterfuck of hypocrisy for the conservatives of America to claim the moral high ground and call for unity after using nothing BUT racist and divisive rhetoric. Seriously, go dig up any news article about Obama from the past 8 years and read the incredibly classy comments.
I'm well aware that many Trump supporters are good people and many Hillary supporters are not so much. But an overwhelming amount of American voters decided that racism and sexual assault are not deal breakers when electing their leader. Michael Moore may be right in that people are angry about the establishment not working for them but they voted for a complete monster to be their champion who is normalizing absolutely disgusting thoughts and actions. Not all Trump supporters are racist but all racists are Trump supporters.
Also I stand completely by my claim that anyone who denies climate change is a moron. That's an understatement actually.
I think what a lot of young americans see as 'uneducated' is simply what it was at the time - normal. 30 years ago when you parents were growing up, it wasn't normal to go to college. Most people entered the workforce after highschool, or served in the military. I don't exactly think i'm any 'smarter' from going to college. I may have more facts, more knowledge, but i don't think that directly related to intelligence per se.
What you should ask is not, 'why did we vote for a monster', but rather 'why did the monster win over the established opponent'.
Trump ##