Poll
Question:
Who won the first presidential debate?
Option 1: Barack Obama
votes: 7
Option 2: Mitt Romney
votes: 6
Option 3: Jim Lehrer
votes: 3
Option 4: Not Sure
votes: 6
So the first presidential debate has just finished. If you watched it, who do you think won?
I think Romney. The moderator was the clear loser.
Big Bird lost :<
I'll tell you who lost...the American people
If you vote for either major party, you are what's wrong with this country.
Romney won, sadly
but yeah, I can't vote c:
Obama didn't big bird at least :<
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 04, 2012, 04:03:12 AM
I'll tell you who lost...the American people
If you vote for either major party, you are what's wrong with this country.
Obama or Romney will win this election. Cast your vote to whoever you believe is the better candidate of the two. That being said, I like the values held by Ron Paul over either of these candidates. Is he going to win? No. Would I rather Romney be in office over Obama, even though I can't stand either? Absolutely. Feed Obama or Romney your vote, feed Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, or whoever your money and verbal support.
wtf is this big bird shit?
KONY2012
Quote from: Pacman Syu on October 04, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 04, 2012, 04:03:12 AM
I'll tell you who lost...the American people
If you vote for either major party, you are what's wrong with this country.
Obama or Romney will win this election. Cast your vote to whoever you believe is the better candidate of the two. That being said, I like the values held by Ron Paul over either of these candidates. Is he going to win? No. Would I rather Romney be in office over Obama, even though I can't stand either? Absolutely. Feed Obama or Romney your vote, feed Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, or whoever your money and verbal support.
Unfortunately, America has this little to offer in canidates at the moment.
I have to agree that voting for anyone other than Obama or Romney won't get them elected anyway.
It is a sad place the American people find themselves.
Soooo very sad.
I decided to look at the first lady choices.
Obama's wife said nasty stuff about Oprah being a bad example to American girls cause she is fat.
That just made her the most stupid woman on Earth.
She also ruined the school lunches where I live.
All the kids complain about the food or lack of it that they get now.
Quote from: Pacman Syu on October 04, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 04, 2012, 04:03:12 AM
I'll tell you who lost...the American people
If you vote for either major party, you are what's wrong with this country.
Obama or Romney will win this election. Cast your vote to whoever you believe is the better candidate of the two. That being said, I like the values held by Ron Paul over either of these candidates. Is he going to win? No. Would I rather Romney be in office over Obama, even though I can't stand either? Absolutely. Feed Obama or Romney your vote, feed Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, or whoever your money and verbal support.
No no wrong wrong wrong...
So you would rather throw away your moral integrity than vote for whom you believe would be best fit to lead our country.
Please, go to Canada or something. We don't need you.
Quote from: Rachellove9 on October 05, 2012, 03:01:40 AM
Obama's wife said nasty stuff about Oprah being a bad example to American girls cause she is fat.
lol wut
Source please?
Btw, sorry for the double post.
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 05, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
Quote from: Pacman Syu on October 04, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 04, 2012, 04:03:12 AM
I'll tell you who lost...the American people
If you vote for either major party, you are what's wrong with this country.
Obama or Romney will win this election. Cast your vote to whoever you believe is the better candidate of the two. That being said, I like the values held by Ron Paul over either of these candidates. Is he going to win? No. Would I rather Romney be in office over Obama, even though I can't stand either? Absolutely. Feed Obama or Romney your vote, feed Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, or whoever your money and verbal support.
No no wrong wrong wrong...
So you would rather throw away your moral integrity than vote for whom you believe would be best fit to lead our country.
Please, go to Canada or something. We don't need you.
It comes to a place where you have to have faith that whoever wins will do their best for the American people.
As an outsider, I'd go for Obama... He may not be able to keep his promises, but that's only for a lack of balls...
Romney may have the balls to do what he promises, but what he promises is going to finish the job of killing off the middle class by wideing the rich and poor gap that started under Reagan and was very successfully continued under Bush jr.
At this point the choice is between little to no action at all at Obama's side (even though he probably prevented a recession, killed bin Laden, started healthcare reform, started a new war but ended it and also ended another, and is adding private sector jobs every single month)...
And Mitt Romney...
A mormon who thinks we are older than the universe itself and wears magical underwear, who thinks that the failed economic policies of the Reagan era are a good idea, wants to cut taxes for people who barely pay any, doesn't want to cut any spending at all yet says he's going to reduce the deficit, persists that climate change isn't happening at all because the bible says so (while they had to delay his convention cuz of a hurricane), denies the existance of rape babies cuz it throws a wrench in the right-to-life mechanics, wants to teach teens with raging hormones about sex by telling them not to have it, wants to invade North Korea and Iran with an already exhausted military, wants to take out "the bad parts of Obama-care" (you know the parts that pay for it), thinks that putting the word "clean" next to the word "coal" somehow makes clean coal, wants to cut regulations EVERYWHERE (even for baby-food), is in favor of all kinds of voter surpression laws (cuz republicans can only win if they cheat, see 2000), is against ANY progression of the rights of gays, women, blacks and immigrants, and last but not least, thinks that rich people create jobs when it's been proven that rich people just want more money and hire whoever will do it cheapest (overseas) and actual jobs come from the consumer, regular Joe Sixpack that for 100$ a year more can now afford to eat proper tuna instead of catfood with mayonaise...
I could go on...
Fact remains that the U.S. is a country where half the population for whatever reason can't face reality and would rather believe in fairytales... A poll shows that only half of americans are aware that Judaism is an older religion than Christianity... That's right, half of americans cannot tell which one came first; The Old Testament or The New Testament....
It is the only reason why republicans still get just aboutr half of the votes...
And what do they (republicans) accuse Obama of wanting to do claim Obama has done?
He supposedly raised taxes even though they are at their lowest level in 40 years...
He ran up the deficit by trillions, but it's actually Bush's policies (invading the wrong country, for example) that caused that, see this graph:
(http://polentical.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/annualized-growth-of-federal-spending.png)
That Obamacare is a government takeover of all healthcare, when it's just not. It just forces you to get insurance...
They accuse him of being a socialist, when he's infact given the 3rd biggest corporate blowjob ever (after Reagan and Bush), that he isn't even born in the U.S. even after showing his birth certificate, that he's a muslim when he's attended church for 3 decades and drinks beer and eats pork...
Again I could go on, but a liberal would've fought alongside the unions, would've increased tax on the rich by a helluva lot more, would've enacted some kind of bill on carbon emissions and gun control, would've legalized pot and ended the drug war, just to name a few. A social democrat (comparable to the UK's Labour party) would go further still, but an actual socialist would still think this is STILL too soft...
So to all you undecideds, I have a message for you (funny at first, but the good part starts at 2:10):
Episode 260 (http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/xtsjda)
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 05, 2012, 03:14:36 AM
Quote from: Rachellove9 on October 05, 2012, 03:01:40 AM
Obama's wife said nasty stuff about Oprah being a bad example to American girls cause she is fat.
lol wut
Source please?
Btw, sorry for the double post.
Also if she did say that good for her, because we're the fattest friggen country and there's NO excuse
Quote from: Keith on October 05, 2012, 05:25:59 AM
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 05, 2012, 03:14:36 AM
Quote from: Rachellove9 on October 05, 2012, 03:01:40 AM
Obama's wife said nasty stuff about Oprah being a bad example to American girls cause she is fat.
lol wut
Source please?
Btw, sorry for the double post.
Also if she did say that good for her, because we're the fattest friggen country and there's NO excuse
True. Every obese person in this country thinks they're a victim. "oh, I have a glandular problem".."oh, I have an eating disorder"...funny how we're the only country with all of these problems. Must be something in the water. OR MAYBE YOU CAN PUT DOWN THE FORK.
Anyways...this is getting off topic...
I honestly hope Obama wins the entire thing.
What people fail to realize is that Romney will outsource jobs to China and screw with the Canadian/American relations.
Romney is a stupid, foul, repugnant asshole with the common sense of a friggin' block of shit.
I edited my post with "some" facts...
Plz mention it if oyu reply to that ;)
As for fat people, lets watch the latest SOUTH PARK EPISODE!!!
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s16e09-raising-the-bar (http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s16e09-raising-the-bar)
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Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 05, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
Quote from: Pacman Syu on October 04, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 04, 2012, 04:03:12 AM
I'll tell you who lost...the American people
If you vote for either major party, you are what's wrong with this country.
Obama or Romney will win this election. Cast your vote to whoever you believe is the better candidate of the two. That being said, I like the values held by Ron Paul over either of these candidates. Is he going to win? No. Would I rather Romney be in office over Obama, even though I can't stand either? Absolutely. Feed Obama or Romney your vote, feed Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, or whoever your money and verbal support.
No no wrong wrong wrong...
So you would rather throw away your moral integrity than vote for whom you believe would be best fit to lead our country.
Please, go to Canada or something. We don't need you.
Please, stay in america.
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 05, 2012, 03:14:36 AM
Quote from: Rachellove9 on October 05, 2012, 03:01:40 AM
Obama's wife said nasty stuff about Oprah being a bad example to American girls cause she is fat.
lol wut
Source please?
Btw, sorry for the double post.
There's more to the story.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/jealous_michelle_vs_oprah_wDXXjFfq75tZRro1jy1AtK/1 (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/jealous_michelle_vs_oprah_wDXXjFfq75tZRro1jy1AtK/1)
Oh and also as a reply to the topic, I don't think it's a matter of who wins or not. It's all public perception, and while that matters, it's not the only thing that should be weighted when you vote.
To me the debate is a rundown of which sides each candidate are taking, and that's what we do know. All the things they say aren't for sure and like Rachel said it's "pick the best one who you think will try or do the best for our country."
From the debate, there is one topic that stuck to my mind. It's Obamacare. I like many other Americans don't have medical insurance and without his policy I would not be able to have my pre-existing conditions taken care of for an affordable price. Romney clearly said he would scrap this.
Then there are other bits and pieces I'm unsure about.
-Why is Romney knocking China on outsourcing products? They're "cheating?"
-When Obama talks about his mother and 55 year olds or above, something about a medical/social security policy?
Thoughts: I'm suspicious of why Romney hasn't released details on his companies or his personal history with them. I haven't found the exact source, but I remember hearing that 4/10 of his top companies went bankrupt? And that's not to say that he's a horrible businessman. People talk about how his business experience would be a plus for the economy. Obama himself invested in a solar panel manufacturer not too far from where I live and it went bankrupt too.
Will add to this later as it's late.
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 05, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
Quote from: Pacman Syu on October 04, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 04, 2012, 04:03:12 AM
I'll tell you who lost...the American people
If you vote for either major party, you are what's wrong with this country.
Obama or Romney will win this election. Cast your vote to whoever you believe is the better candidate of the two. That being said, I like the values held by Ron Paul over either of these candidates. Is he going to win? No. Would I rather Romney be in office over Obama, even though I can't stand either? Absolutely. Feed Obama or Romney your vote, feed Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, or whoever your money and verbal support.
No no wrong wrong wrong...
So you would rather throw away your moral integrity than vote for whom you believe would be best fit to lead our country.
Please, go to Canada or something. We don't need you.
Throw away my moral integrity? Okay, I was being a little political correct and indirect in my original post. Let me make this clearer. I LIKE RON PAUL. A lot. None of the other candidates come close to his integrity, and I would have loved to see him win. However, you'd be an idiot to think he still has a chance. On the other hand, I HIGHLY disagree with both Obama and Romney on several issues. However, Obama has PROVED himself COMPLETELY ineffective in handling money. I'm not sure where that image came from that Ts Stormrage posted, but it's HORRIBLY wrong ( http://politiac.com/The_Obama_is_Fiscally_Responsible_Claim_is_Debunked_and_Disproved/ (http://politiac.com/The_Obama_is_Fiscally_Responsible_Claim_is_Debunked_and_Disproved/) ). I don't think anyone's paying attention, but NO other issue is remotely close to being as important as our fiscal responsibility right now. Whether or not Romney's very good at it (which he's not), he can't be NEARLY as bad as Obama. We CANNOT let Obama win, even if it means voting for Romney. So if you're going to be telling anyone to screw out of here, tell it to the guys who supported Romney and Obama on their trip to the top, not the one who chooses between them. I have never supported Romney or Obama in any way, but I have supported Ron Paul through money donations and buying stuff to advertise for him.
Please, tell me our country doesn't need college students with integrity who financially support hardly known candidates because of what they believe in.
I don't expect to change your mind, but I hope you know that most of the world, looking in from the outside, is going for Obama.
I don't think much of America realises how awesome Obama actually is.
Sooo manny words
Quote from: His Lordship on October 06, 2012, 03:48:45 AM
I don't expect to change your mind, but I hope you know that most of the world, looking in from the outside, is going for Obama.
I don't think much of America realises how awesome Obama actually is.
The world can afford Obama, we can't.
Romney was a godly debater, though, pardon my French, you can sprinkle sugar on crap, but it's still crap. Obama is a weaker debater, though a better politician as a whole, though the person I believe the better out of the two would be...
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbck7n5LBz1qiz3a2o8_500.gif)
But Obama is sure as hell better than Romney.
Quote from: Zeld Freelan on October 06, 2012, 05:04:20 AM
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Quote from: His Lordship on October 06, 2012, 03:48:45 AM
I don't expect to change your mind, but I hope you know that most of the world, looking in from the outside, is going for Obama.
I don't think much of America realises how awesome Obama actually is.
He once mentioned my friend from high school (out of notice) in one of his rallies for starting a microfunding club. It ended up on the news and everything. Showed how much he's paying attention...
It matters that people think he's awesome. Obama is someone a lot of people can relate to in America. He represents people from all walks of life. People can understand him clearly and he is articulate. With the bills that he passes and the decisions he makes, he DOES IT and doesn't hide details or backdoor tricks whether it fails or not. Because of that, he earns my trust.
Rambles:He's a self-made man. Culturally diverse. He wants to support older women (from the debate). Same-sex unions. A recent poll showed that 62% of Americans now support lawful same-sex unions (http://cbsn.ws/KF9JnB (http://cbsn.ws/KF9JnB)). For those of you that don't know, Romney supports the Mormons, the church of LDS, which abolishes same-sex unions. Students. Obama has a plan to train and give teachers their jobs. The during the early years of his presidency (when I was in high school) many teachers were "pink-slipped," otherwise known as conditionally laid off. I had principals that came in to hand these to a few of my teachers during hs. Programs/classes like woodshop and culinary arts were cut. In my senior year, there were about 38 students in one of my classes, and there weren't enough desks for us to sit in.
Obama has made some decisions that were unsuccessful. One of them is Solyndra, a solar panel manufacturer that Obama helped pass funding for. The company itself ended up bankrupt, and the building that was once occupied by them is now up for sale. It was a business decision that ended up failing. Romney also had unsuccessful business ventures, its just the nature of business. It's a risk. People think that Obama is the one to blame for increasing debt, etc. etc. We're so quick to blame...it's always the president's fault, right? One presidential term wasn't going to be a one-shot solution out of our deficit. And quite honestly, I wouldn't expect this next one to be. But if we inch our way towards more jobs, more percentages cut off the unemployment rate...gain more and more momentum we'll starts seeing results. Recently the unemployment rate came to a 44-month low (http://yhoo.it/RG2hg2 (http://yhoo.it/RG2hg2)).
Mitt Romney is a mormon. If a mormon would even try to candidate for anything big within politics here in Sweden, the person would get shut down so hard.
I find it absurd that such a big amount of people (anyone at all actually) believe in mormonism, but people can be brought up to believe pretty much anything under certain circumstances. The really sick thing is that all of these other people outside of mormonism now support this belief and tell the world that mormons can become leaders of the biggest countries in the world. Mormonism will probably never cause as much bad things as for say christianity, but it's still really sad to see it being accepted.
EDIT: OT like hell, but still pretty relevant in a bigger perspective.
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 05, 2012, 05:30:24 AM
Quote from: Keith on October 05, 2012, 05:25:59 AM
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 05, 2012, 03:14:36 AM
Quote from: Rachellove9 on October 05, 2012, 03:01:40 AM
Obama's wife said nasty stuff about Oprah being a bad example to American girls cause she is fat.
lol wut
Source please?
Btw, sorry for the double post.
Also if she did say that good for her, because we're the fattest friggen country and there's NO excuse
True. Every obese person in this country thinks they're a victim. "oh, I have a glandular problem".."oh, I have an eating disorder"...funny how we're the only country with all of these problems. Must be something in the water. OR MAYBE YOU CAN PUT DOWN THE FORK.
Anyways...this is getting off topic...
HERE COMES HONEY BOO BOO!
Got enough to moan about with my own shitty government let alone reading in on the US debate, how are these people in charge of anything...
Wow to off topic. I don't like that people are unhealthy because of being fat, but that doesn't make me hate them. The number on a scale doesn't even come close to what a person may or may not be.
I would like to see some reform on how the funds for advertising are done. Like no funds from corporations or unions. The funds that are raised in a state should have to be used in that state and not used elsewhere. I don't like that other countries donate to our campaign funds. There should be a 5k limit to each household. The election shouldn't be about who has the most money or who can get the most funds donated to them. Some of this might allow us to have some third or fourth parties able to run and be successful.
We can't afford to keep going deeper in debt. If I ran my personal finances like the government runs theirs, I'd be in jail for fraud. It is sad that we end up paying about one third to half of what we earn in taxes and still have all this debt.
beer
Quote from: Onathe on October 26, 2012, 11:20:28 PM
Got enough to moan about with my own shitty government let alone reading in on the US debate, how are these people in charge of anything...
What country are you from?
Quote from: Pacman Syu on October 27, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: Onathe on October 26, 2012, 11:20:28 PM
Got enough to moan about with my own shitty government let alone reading in on the US debate, how are these people in charge of anything...
What country are you from?
THERE'S CLEARLY A UK FLAG NEXT TO HIS PROFILE NAME!!!! :>
Quote from: Mojohaza1 on October 27, 2012, 07:40:33 PM
Quote from: Pacman Syu on October 27, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: Onathe on October 26, 2012, 11:20:28 PM
Got enough to moan about with my own shitty government let alone reading in on the US debate, how are these people in charge of anything...
What country are you from?
THERE'S CLEARLY A UK FLAG NEXT TO HIS PROFILE NAME!!!! :>
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png?1322693145)
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Americans can't be blamed.
Half of them have been brainwashed, and can't see why the rest of the world hates Romney.
They've been fed all the propaganda and culture.
We on the outside are just hoping enough of America isn't blinded.
Quote from: His Lordship on October 29, 2012, 10:31:13 AM
Americans can't be blamed.
Half of them have been brainwashed, and can't see why the rest of the world hates Romney.
They've been fed all the propaganda and culture.
We on the outside are just hoping enough of America isn't blinded.
There is so much advertising and things spent on this.
I am not sure I buy the culture thing but the propaganda stuff is insane for elections.
I would of preferred someone like Whoopie Goldberg or Oprah.
Quote from: His Lordship on October 29, 2012, 10:31:13 AM
Americans can't be blamed.
Half of them have been brainwashed, and can't see why the rest of the world hates Romney.
They've been fed all the propaganda and culture.
We on the outside are just hoping enough of America isn't blinded.
Why do you think romney would be bad? Romney has one real goal: Fix the economy. Obamas is bombing pakistan, afghanistan and parts of iraq. He has refused the keystone pipline that would create thousands of jobs, just to appease hippies. The spending needs to slow down, and i think romney is the best choice to do it.
Cut spending on the one bloated budget: Defense... and thats the one thing romney isnt going to touch...
He's also going to create 12 million jobs, but he'll keep his methods a secret forever if he doesnt get elected (very patriotic), snd he wont tell you his plan untill after he's elected...
Obama might be lame, but at least he isn't wrong on most things, and he's also not flipping on things within the same scentence...
Episode 264 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xumzvn)
Quote from: Ts Stormrage on October 29, 2012, 04:51:35 PM
Cut spending on the one bloated budget: Defense... and thats the one thing romney isnt going to touch...
He's also going to create 12 million jobs, but he'll keep his methods a secret forever if he doesnt get elected (very patriotic), snd he wont tell you his plan untill after he's elected...
Obama might be lame, but at least he isn't wrong on most things, and he's also not flipping on things within the same scentence...
Episode 264 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xumzvn)
You know how you know that a politician is lying? They open their mouth. They all lie, cheat and in general are bottom dwellers of the moral ladder of life. I think of it like spoiled apples, one can turn the whole bunch bad quickly.
not sure cause i didn't watch :D
Quote from: Rachellove9 on October 29, 2012, 06:10:58 PM
Quote from: Ts Stormrage on October 29, 2012, 04:51:35 PM
Cut spending on the one bloated budget: Defense... and thats the one thing romney isnt going to touch...
He's also going to create 12 million jobs, but he'll keep his methods a secret forever if he doesnt get elected (very patriotic), snd he wont tell you his plan untill after he's elected...
Obama might be lame, but at least he isn't wrong on most things, and he's also not flipping on things within the same scentence...
Episode 264 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xumzvn)
You know how you know that a politician is lying? They open their mouth. They all lie, cheat and in general are bottom dwellers of the moral ladder of life. I think of it like spoiled apples, one can turn the whole bunch bad quickly.
Rachy 2012
Quote from: Colinwarrior on October 04, 2012, 04:03:12 AM
I'll tell you who lost...the American people
If you vote for either major party, you are what's wrong with this country.
Dug up this thread to say you were right.
for reals, what's the point of an election if both sides still can completely impede the government? RIP america probs won't be missed
in the UK we have an Act of Parliament that the Lower House (commons) can use if the Upper House (lords) reject a bill which allows them to pass the bill anyway so shit like this never happens :)
Quote from: Mojohaza1 on October 15, 2013, 11:25:08 PM
in the UK we have an Act of Parliament that the Lower House (commons) can use if the Upper House (lords) reject a bill which allows them to pass the bill anyway so shit like this never happens :)
That sounds like a good system.
I think a decent way to solve this would to literally force more political parties into publicity. For example, in the political debates on TV require there be people representing
at least the three most popular parties. Sadly however, every media corporation has their own side to take so this is unlikely to happen. If only.
Canada has something like that too. no president veto either.
However i think theres a governer general that has quite a bit of power.. I need to learn more about my politics.....
Also who the heck necro'd a yr old thread.
Everyone should look at how Sweden does things politically = win