So the UK has a referendum on whether or not we should remain in the European Union on Thursday.
What do WG members think? especially the British ones :P
Pat Condell summed it up nicely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E)
remain
we need to get the fuck out of there
As an American I honestly don't know much on the issue, if anyone would like to explain feel free. :)
Quote from: LilRyan on June 21, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
As an American I honestly don't know much on the issue, if anyone would like to explain feel free. :)
Quote from: LilRyan on June 21, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
As an American I honestly don't know much on the issue, if anyone would like to explain feel free. :)
Brexit is quite simple. The people will vote if they remain in the European Union or not. Why you ask?
If they leave they can simply stop the flow of eastern europe workers, no more payments to Brussels, no EU rules apply to them, etc.
Either way, there are a few great advantages of leaving and of course a few big disadvantages.
I'm voting Remain. Better for the economy, better for workers rights and better for the environment.
Quote from: Lait_Choco on June 21, 2016, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: LilRyan on June 21, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
As an American I honestly don't know much on the issue, if anyone would like to explain feel free. :)
Quote from: LilRyan on June 21, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
As an American I honestly don't know much on the issue, if anyone would like to explain feel free. :)
Brexit is quite simple. The people will vote if they remain in the European Union or not. Why you ask?
If they leave they can simply stop the flow of eastern europe workers, no more payments to Brussels, no EU rules apply to them, etc.
Either way, there are a few great advantages of leaving and of course a few big disadvantages.
So is the main arguement for it to stop bringing in foreign workers? Also not sure on Brussels I will look up information to inform myself.
Quote from: LilRyan on June 21, 2016, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: Lait_Choco on June 21, 2016, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: LilRyan on June 21, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
As an American I honestly don't know much on the issue, if anyone would like to explain feel free. :)
Quote from: LilRyan on June 21, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
As an American I honestly don't know much on the issue, if anyone would like to explain feel free. :)
Brexit is quite simple. The people will vote if they remain in the European Union or not. Why you ask?
If they leave they can simply stop the flow of eastern europe workers, no more payments to Brussels, no EU rules apply to them, etc.
Either way, there are a few great advantages of leaving and of course a few big disadvantages.
So is the main arguement for it to stop bringing in foreign workers? Also not sure on Brussels I will look up information to inform myself.
It goes a bit deeper than this, and some argue that the bureaucrats in EU parliament are attempting to create a pan European entity which they can control. I am voting to remain as it will directly impact (negatively) my future industry (aerospace) if the UK were to leave, but I can see why some people will vote to leave.
I already voted Remain.
Man I thought just America was corrupt as fuck... Kappa
Quote from: Vio on June 21, 2016, 06:51:31 AM
Pat Condell summed it up nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E)
This guy is taking the piss right?
I closed it when he called Obama "the worst US president in history" :fp:
Honestly. We are fucked either way. The polititions don't give a damn about anybody but themselves so no matter who you vote for/vote to stay in/out your gonna get effected negatively as they don't truly think of the people.
Both vote in/leave campaigns are distorting facts for their own points to seem better. So its hard to understand what exactly is better off. Just look at all the crap about more money going to NHS if we leave, and more if we stay. It's ridiculous.
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Ultimately if we leave, I could honestly see the UK splitting up, but potentially even joining America for the market advantages, military ones would also be desirable for both fronts. Switzerland is not in the EU and has a great economy, so it does show you can survive without it. Ultimately other counties are panicking if we leave due to the instability it will cause overall for them too.
Quote from: Mojo on June 21, 2016, 10:25:36 PM
Quote from: Vio on June 21, 2016, 06:51:31 AM
Pat Condell summed it up nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E)
This guy is taking the piss right?
I closed it when he called Obama "the worst US president in history" :fp:
Obama seems to divide opinion. I personally think he's ok, but aside from that Pat pretty much gets it right.
A European union in principle is not that bad an idea, but not this one. Back in the early days when it was just a means of trade between 8-12 states it was fine, but now the big issue is the transferal of power. All other concerns such as trade, economics, immigration, etc. are secondary. I wouldn't resign our right to have complete democratic control over our own country to a foreign entity unless I was 100% convinced of their authenticity. With the EU I'm at about 40%, and I think voting to leave is the "safe" option. We did perfectly well independently without the EU for several hundred years, and we'll get along just fine without them. After all, the sun never sets on the British Empire.
Quote from: Vio on June 22, 2016, 12:22:44 AM
Quote from: Mojo on June 21, 2016, 10:25:36 PM
Quote from: Vio on June 21, 2016, 06:51:31 AM
Pat Condell summed it up nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E)
This guy is taking the piss right?
I closed it when he called Obama "the worst US president in history" :fp:
Obama seems to divide opinion. I personally think he's ok, but aside from that Pat pretty much gets it right.
A European union in principle is not that bad an idea, but not this one. Back in the early days when it was just a means of trade between 8-12 states it was fine, but now the big issue is the transferal of power. All other concerns such as trade, economics, immigration, etc. are secondary. I wouldn't resign our right to have complete democratic control over our own country to a foreign entity unless I was 100% convinced of their authenticity. With the EU I'm at about 40%, and I think voting to leave is the "safe" option. We did perfectly well independently without the EU for several hundred years, and we'll get along just fine without them. After all, the sun never sets on the British Empire.
The EU is not run by a "foreign entity" at all though. It's run by all 28 countries in the same way the UK Parliament is run by MPs from 650 different constituencies (and the useless cunts in the House of Lords). We elect people to the European Parliament, the heads of state on each EU council are elected in their own country and each EU government picks a European Commission representative.
So yeh the UK doesn't have complete power over the EU in the same way Wigan doesn't have complete power over the UK but it's just as democratic if not more democratic when you consider that we don't elect the House of Lords.
Nice sig btw
Quote from: Mojo on June 21, 2016, 04:12:50 PM
I'm voting Remain. Better for the economy, better for workers rights and better for the environment.
If we leave, we can make our own laws, put a stop to all of the immigration taking advantage of the country's benefit system and stop getting dragged into other countries going bankrupt which we feel we need to step in to help making our own country suffer
Quote from: Anthony on June 22, 2016, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: Mojo on June 21, 2016, 04:12:50 PM
I'm voting Remain. Better for the economy, better for workers rights and better for the environment.
If we leave, we can make our own laws, put a stop to all of the immigration taking advantage of the country's benefit system and stop getting dragged into other countries going bankrupt which we feel we need to step in to help making our own country suffer
There is a net benefit from migration and there is no way in hell I'm gonna trust the conservatives to protect workers rights or the environment. And btw, Cameron's deal stops EU migrants from claiming most benefits for four years.
14% of UK law is controlled by the EU, we largely do make our own laws.
The trouble with England is there are far too many idiots who have not read what is what & will simply vote to "send em back to their own country"
I don't vote for anything for other reasons
Immigrants put more money into our economy than they take out.
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Take a read of this piece by the Financial Times if your interested in the economical impact of Brexit.
https://next.ft.com/content/0260242c-370b-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7#axzz4C6KPHZoN
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Quote from: Mojo on June 22, 2016, 12:52:18 AM
The EU is not run by a "foreign entity" at all though. It's run by all 28 countries in the same way the UK Parliament is run by MPs from 650 different constituencies (and the useless cunts in the House of Lords). We elect people to the European Parliament, the heads of state on each EU council are elected in their own country and each EU government picks a European Commission representative.
So yeh the UK doesn't have complete power over the EU in the same way Wigan doesn't have complete power over the UK but it's just as democratic if not more democratic when you consider that we don't elect the House of Lords.
Nice sig btw
But the European Parliament is useless. Our parliament can deal with legislation, the EU parliament doesn't. The laws and regulations are controlled by the European Commission. And we don't get to vote for commissioners - they get nominated. Essentially if there's a law in place that we the people disagree with, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. Not very democratic.
Polls have just closed.
Remain looking more likely at this very early stage.
Quote from: Mojo on June 23, 2016, 10:35:36 PM
Polls have just closed.
Remain looking more likely at this very early stage.
and now Leave is looking much more likely
So do the people decide, or does the government?
Quote from: LilRyan on June 24, 2016, 04:05:31 AM
So do the people decide, or does the government?
The people decide, they have answered a "Remain" or "Leave" question on the ballot paper.
Results are coming in here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results)
The leading media organisation in the UK, BBC, has just called the referendum for Leave.
The chaos begins.
They got it completely wrong... I'm gutted
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I think it'll be a good thing. There was a time we weren't in the EU and we did fine.
This way we have more control over our own laws and how we handle immigration. Not that immigration is a bad thing but we should be doing with Australia do, only allow people in which will benefit the economy, not just leach off our benefit system.
We wont be dragged into other countries going bankrupt and have to bail them out. I could do this all day but I have 10k cannonballs to make :)
Well, according to your good old British chap Nigel, you now have that 350m £ a week to spend on NHS. ;)
Oh my... Change is coming.... Is there like a percentage you have to win by? It looks really close as of now.
Hopefully UK remains.
Leaving will have effects on other EU Countries.
Quote from: LilRyan on June 24, 2016, 01:54:53 PM
Oh my... Change is coming.... Is there like a percentage you have to win by? It looks really close as of now.
It is an referendum so the most votes wins. And it seems that they will be leaving the Eu union.
We did leave
52% to 48% in favour of leaving.
UK set to fully leave the EU by A MINIMUM of 2 years (but 2020 is being thrown around).
Our Prime Minister, David Cameron, has handed in his resignation for October. The next Prime Minister will officially start the ball rolling.
Quote from: Anthony on June 24, 2016, 02:58:00 PM
We did leave
We haven't left at all, and can't leave for atleast 2 years yet. In fact parliament can veto the referendum and claim they know what's best for the country.
It's going to be a decade before we see the final results imo
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Quote from: D om on June 24, 2016, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Anthony on June 24, 2016, 02:58:00 PM
We did leave
We haven't left at all, and can't leave for atleast 2 years yet. In fact parliament can veto the referendum and claim they know what's best for the country.
It's going to be a decade before we see the final results imo
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I mean that we have voted to leave. I know it'll be a good few years before we come out of the EU. The government cant make people any more unhappy whatever they do. The leave campaign has already backed out on giving the £350million to the NHS they promised which was the biggest reason most people voted out
Quote from: Anthony on June 25, 2016, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: D om on June 24, 2016, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Anthony on June 24, 2016, 02:58:00 PM
We did leave
We haven't left at all, and can't leave for atleast 2 years yet. In fact parliament can veto the referendum and claim they know what's best for the country.
It's going to be a decade before we see the final results imo
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I mean that we have voted to leave. I know it'll be a good few years before we come out of the EU. The government cant make people any more unhappy whatever they do. The leave campaign has already backed out on giving the £350million to the NHS they promised which was the biggest reason most people voted out
Yeh that's an interesting one. I suppose it depends on who wins the next election as to where that money ends up.
Some hilarious insults sent to Donald Trump relating to Brexit here: http://9gag.com/gag/abZy938?ref=fbp (http://9gag.com/gag/abZy938?ref=fbp)
My only concern about brexit tbf is Real Madrid.. so does that mean Bale is counted as a non-eu player and now we exceed our limit by 1 or are they going to treat UK players the same way they treat Turkish and Israeli players?
Quote from: WG Ajaji on June 26, 2016, 04:08:51 AM
My only concern about brexit tbf is Real Madrid.. so does that mean Bale is counted as a non-eu player and now we exceed our limit by 1 or are they going to treat UK players the same way they treat Turkish and Israeli players?
I suspect they'd treat them like you say but he'll still be an EU citizen for another two years and I think a British club may buy him back for many millions anyway.
Quote from: Mojo on June 26, 2016, 04:16:44 AM
Quote from: WG Ajaji on June 26, 2016, 04:08:51 AM
My only concern about brexit tbf is Real Madrid.. so does that mean Bale is counted as a non-eu player and now we exceed our limit by 1 or are they going to treat UK players the same way they treat Turkish and Israeli players?
I suspect they'd treat them like you say but he'll still be an EU citizen for another two years and I think a British club may buy him back for many millions anyway.
Does that English club starts with an N and happen that they just got relegated last season?
Quote from: WG Ajaji on June 26, 2016, 04:20:44 AM
Quote from: Mojo on June 26, 2016, 04:16:44 AM
Quote from: WG Ajaji on June 26, 2016, 04:08:51 AM
My only concern about brexit tbf is Real Madrid.. so does that mean Bale is counted as a non-eu player and now we exceed our limit by 1 or are they going to treat UK players the same way they treat Turkish and Israeli players?
I suspect they'd treat them like you say but he'll still be an EU citizen for another two years and I think a British club may buy him back for many millions anyway.
Does that English club starts with an N and happen that they just got relegated last season?
No I think it most likely starts with M and ends in anchester United
Mojo you fucking savage :"""""D
Quote from: Mojo on June 26, 2016, 04:16:44 AM
Quote from: WG Ajaji on June 26, 2016, 04:08:51 AM
My only concern about brexit tbf is Real Madrid.. so does that mean Bale is counted as a non-eu player and now we exceed our limit by 1 or are they going to treat UK players the same way they treat Turkish and Israeli players?
I suspect they'd treat them like you say but he'll still be an EU citizen for another two years and I think a British club may buy him back for many millions anyway.
Apparently they are more interested in James Rodriguez. Both Manchester clubs can throw stupid money around at the moment. I think bale is more likely to stay than move though due to his comments during euro's. Liverpool and Chelsea will be splashing too, arsenal you can never tell with and Tottenham/Leicester will both spend to improve.
GBP has recovered now too, and apparently Germany, France also want referendums.
Quote from: Suffud on June 30, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: Mojo on June 26, 2016, 04:16:44 AM
Quote from: WG Ajaji on June 26, 2016, 04:08:51 AM
My only concern about brexit tbf is Real Madrid.. so does that mean Bale is counted as a non-eu player and now we exceed our limit by 1 or are they going to treat UK players the same way they treat Turkish and Israeli players?
I suspect they'd treat them like you say but he'll still be an EU citizen for another two years and I think a British club may buy him back for many millions anyway.
Apparently they are more interested in James Rodriguez. Both Manchester clubs can throw stupid money around at the moment. I think bale is more likely to stay than move though due to his comments during euro's. Liverpool and Chelsea will be splashing too, arsenal you can never tell with and Tottenham/Leicester will both spend to improve.
GBP has recovered now too, and apparently Germany, France also want referendums.
GBP is still down compared to before the referendum. The stock markets have recovered a bit though.
Anyway, that is all short-term movement. The real effects of Brexit will be clear about 3 years down the line. By that point we'll know if Cameron et als' warnings about the economic consequences come true.
Hi I'm Nigel Fagotrage and welcome to jackass.
To my British friends in here; what do you guys think of Scotland? Another referendum for them...
If they can do it somehow it would ignite a fire. Just think of Catalonia, Basken, Flanders and pretty much any region of Europe with right politics. They all want independence. But the EU will help them, pretty sure about that.
But in my humble opinion: Scotland never belonged to GB. Scotland remains Scotland. They deserved their own country more then hunderd years ago. In eco terms it would be a disaster.(for the next 4 years max)
Anyways Rip GB/COL. Enjoy agreeing a trade agreement with Visegrád. You got rid of EU, but you'll never get rid of those four. Really can not wait for that. And if if it fails, enjoy finding cheap workforces, prices will rise. (but i'm sure those exited voters blame it on EU)
Did you guys see the Nigel Barrage meme?
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Stil can't melt steel beams.
I haven't been up with all of the Brexit stuff, so can someone give me a simple clarification?
What power does the referendum have?
Quote from: shookees on July 01, 2016, 08:48:49 AM
I haven't been up with all of the Brexit stuff, so can someone give me a simple clarification?
What power does the referendum have?
It's not legally binding but you'd be mad to go against a democratic decision.
The result means the UK is leaving the EU.
Quote from: Mojo on July 01, 2016, 05:18:01 PM
Quote from: shookees on July 01, 2016, 08:48:49 AM
I haven't been up with all of the Brexit stuff, so can someone give me a simple clarification?
What power does the referendum have?
It's not legally binding but you'd be mad to go against a democratic decision.
The result means the UK is leaving the EU.
Ugh strange, so does this means that the government has to 'reconsider' this issue (approve by democratic means)?
Quote from: shookees on July 01, 2016, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: Mojo on July 01, 2016, 05:18:01 PM
Quote from: shookees on July 01, 2016, 08:48:49 AM
I haven't been up with all of the Brexit stuff, so can someone give me a simple clarification?
What power does the referendum have?
It's not legally binding but you'd be mad to go against a democratic decision.
The result means the UK is leaving the EU.
Ugh strange, so does this means that the government has to 'reconsider' this issue (approve by democratic means)?
It means the UK people have asked the government to invoke "Article 50" of EU law which starts the legal process of leaving. That won't happen until we have a new Prime Minister in September.
Quote from: Lait_Choco on July 01, 2016, 07:24:00 AM
Hi I'm Nigel Fagotrage and welcome to jackass.
To my British friends in here; what do you guys think of Scotland? Another referendum for them...
If they can do it somehow it would ignite a fire. Just think of Catalonia, Basken, Flanders and pretty much any region of Europe with right politics. They all want independence. But the EU will help them, pretty sure about that.
But in my humble opinion: Scotland never belonged to GB. Scotland remains Scotland. They deserved their own country more then hunderd years ago. In eco terms it would be a disaster.(for the next 4 years max)
Anyways Rip GB/COL. Enjoy agreeing a trade agreement with Visegrád. You got rid of EU, but you'll never get rid of those four. Really can not wait for that. And if if it fails, enjoy finding cheap workforces, prices will rise. (but i'm sure those exited voters blame it on EU)
I hate that lieing cunt.