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Concerning recent discoveries about the US government
Rachellove9:
I'm glad to see other people are aware of what is going on.
I haven't figured out exactly what to do.
Educating yourselves of what is going on in the world and your own countries seems like a good thing.
To Owen:
I'm concerned that those things are bi-products of a greater agenda.
Those things happening are great.
Why aren't they catching drug dealers with all this available to them?
There are cameras everywhere in usa now.
You really can't go out of your home and not be watched.
It's not just in town, it's anywhere you can see sky.
Al:
What I'm about to write below concerns mostly my fellow Americans, so just a heads up if you're not from the US or anything you might not be interested. If not, you can scroll to the last few paragraphs, past the "~" ;).
--- Quote from: Rachellove9 on June 09, 2013, 03:03:50 pm ---Honestly anyone that trusts the government should look into the free housing offered by FEMA.
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What does trusting our government have anything with FEMA?
@Babylon That was a rhetorical question. The president, police, military, your fireman, mailman are also citizens of the US like we are, as you know. I was responding to your pic and quotes. Now...not a rhetorical question - if the military have firearms, that means the citizens do too? As in...you, as a member of our military, would you suppress the people in the event of a Nazi Germany (hypothetically)?
Comparing our president to Hitler, posting quotes from other political leaders in history...it's apples and oranges. Hitler wasn't even black.
The quotes. It's talking history...and I'm sorry to say but saying our president is a Hitler is a pretty uneducated remark. And I don't mean to say YOU'RE uneducated, I mean that if you said that keeping in mind of how our government works, something like a Nazi Germany would be virtually impossible to take off. Our govt. is structured in a way that nobody in the govt. branches are ever all-too-powerful (checks and balances, from the constitution). The legislators, senators, and president are joes like us, make a salary just like us, put on underwear in the morning just like us.
While we poke fun at our political leaders and Congress (10% approval rating of it as in fact I just found out), we're (WE the people) are responsible for it. That's OUR Congress not the "government's". My point is don't treat the government like they're a separate entity, that's the beauty of our government...whether you hate their decisions or not, we're the ones who make up the members of the houses that pass the bills and the decisions, WE have responsibility for choosing a president. So when shit happens like FEMA or whatever, a bad bill passes, that reflects back at us too.
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Also...because people probably missed my first reply above, to reiterate, if we want to go anywhere with this instead of making it seem like our government is the enemy, do you think we're evolving as far as ethics in this "information age"? What information do not want to people to see, and what information do you think should be available to people? Literally - list some things out.
Think about the information you make available to the public and/or government (because if your government can see "bad" information, then it probably wasn't that hard to obtain in the first place). For example, bonehead friends that post pics of them smoking weed online. What information do you not want to share with the government? And if you aren't fine with sharing it...why? Are you doing something illegal?
In the governments point of view: Why are you concerned? Got something to hide? ...So you do? Well wow we're only more interested. :>
Al:
--- Quote from: Rachellove9 on June 10, 2013, 12:47:59 am ---There are cameras everywhere in usa now.
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There are cameras everywhere in London.
Is that bad? :P
Owen:
--- Quote from: Rachellove9 on June 10, 2013, 12:47:59 am ---To Owen:
I'm concerned that those things are bi-products of a greater agenda.
Those things happening are great.
Why aren't they catching drug dealers with all this available to them?
There are cameras everywhere in usa now.
You really can't go out of your home and not be watched.
It's not just in town, it's anywhere you can see sky.
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"There were 80% more arrests for drug possession or use in 2010 than in 1990. Even though the rate declined between 2006 and 2010, the arrest rate for drug possession or use in 2010 was still 46% above its 1990 level and was at levels similar to those seen between 1997 and 2002."
Source: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4515
They probably ARE using the information to catch drug and violence offenders, that's the whole point in them keeping/collecting the information. I don't think they're collecting the information to have a giggle at what some people browse on the internet.
Also, regarding some of this information, as far as I'm aware the only information they get is time/location of texts/calls being placed. They don't get the actual information sent between them without a warrant.
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"
This Babylon:
the point is, is basically what Rachel said, its almost like they are more concerned with the average citizen than a extremest muslim. They seem to want to take away the ability for the average man to defend himself in our nation currently, which is not the point. The point of our second amendment is so that we can defend ourselves against any foreign nation/ group bent on doing ill will to them, and that's exactly what is happening right now. I guarantee that incident with the machete would not happen in America, its like the Admiral Yamamoto once said when asked why he did not invade during pearl harbor, considering he was so close to doing so already "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass". Generally speaking, most people are not concerned with global affairs, so they look through a small lens. They only see gangbangers and colombine, ignoring the principles that our nation was founded on, and the reasoning behind giving citizens the right to own a firearm. The fact remains that they gave the right to the people so they could be wolves, not sheep. Disarming us takes that away.
also, about the drug dealer thing, that is great that they are making progress, but they really should focus manpower in stopping the druglords, and destroying the infrastructure used to transport drugs into the country.