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Concerning recent discoveries about the US government
Josheh:
New york is so safe..
This Babylon:
--- Quote from: Josheh on June 12, 2013, 03:09:10 am ---I love some of the ignorance in this thread, both american and non-american. So eager to give up your privacy and fight the muslims!
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I swore oaths to defend the peoples rights. Not a bigwigs seat. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. However with the current state of global affairs I would say some tapping is warranted on potential terrorist threats. That being said if they start arresting people solely on suspicion or because of a political agenda then we have a major problem.
Oh wait
Al also to add a bit of understanding argument to the point I was trying to make, I am not saying "Obama r Hitlar". I'm simply trying to say we are going down a slippery slope to possibly becoming a police state.
Al:
Why must you think our government is always conspiring against us?
@Rachel What does gun crime by state have to do with our privacy problem? I'm talking about whether or not it's ethical in our evolving technological society for certain information to be open to them.
Going back more on topic...I think the folks at Google are doing us some good by not releasing user info and going forward to appeal, so safe to say they already think this is unconstitutional. And I agree that anyone can't just snoop in anyone's stuff if they aren't comfortable with it, it's like natural law.
I've come up with a possible solution...I think that the govt. needs more due process to access profiles and records. Want information? Tell us why, and we'll be glad to help you out, because lives are at stake. Instead of them walking up to Google and adjusting their belts and saying, we're gonna need all user information. I think it seems a little exaggerating to build a big building and hoard 350M's people's info but again I don't think they'll be doing that.
This Babylon:
--- Quote from: Al on June 15, 2013, 10:34:43 pm ---Why must you think our government is always conspiring against us?
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Im not even going to argue or explain anything else to you al, youve already drank the cool aid
Pacman Syu:
Goodness! This is such a good discussion. Let's not start a flame war here, okay?
--- Quote from: Rachellove9 on June 15, 2013, 11:47:31 am ---The problem is that the government uses every opportunity to take away rights we have.
They can do it because they say it is for our safety.
This is just a reference about state crimes. Some of it is pretty out of date but the idea is there.
Not all states are equal when it comes to crimes committed.
If you consider that most of our gun crimes are done by repeat offenders these number could be lower if we made it harder to get out of jails. Problem is that more of our jails are filled with drug users or fraud. We probably put more people in jail for things other countries would fine them for or is legal.
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About taking away our rights in the name of safety, this was in the news the other day: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57589199-94/kill-switch-sought-as-answer-to-phone-theft-epidemic/
You would have to be a complete dolt to think that theft is the only factor of the equation.
--- Quote from: Al on June 15, 2013, 10:34:43 pm ---Why must you think our government is always conspiring against us?
@Rachel What does gun crime by state have to do with our privacy problem? I'm talking about whether or not it's ethical in our evolving technological society for certain information to be open to them.
Going back more on topic...I think the folks at Google are doing us some good by not releasing user info and going forward to appeal, so safe to say they already think this is unconstitutional. And I agree that anyone can't just snoop in anyone's stuff if they aren't comfortable with it, it's like natural law.
I've come up with a possible solution...I think that the govt. needs more due process to access profiles and records. Want information? Tell us why, and we'll be glad to help you out, because lives are at stake. Instead of them walking up to Google and adjusting their belts and saying, we're gonna need all user information. I think it seems a little exaggerating to build a big building and hoard 350M's people's info but again I don't think they'll be doing that.
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I will proudly admit that overall, Google is a good company when it comes to privacy. However, they did drop the ball in this situation. They are being very apologetic about it, but I'm afraid that it's a little more of an act than I'd like to believe. I completely agree with your last paragraph though. You have my vote.