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debate with Lordy and Josheh I didnt read.
Mami Tomoei:
[18:20] <@His_Lordship> omf gguys this gideo is going to blow your mind
[18:20] <@His_Lordship> my research is boss
[18:20] <@His_Lordship> proves without a doubt that osrs is better for new players
[18:20] <@Mojohaza1> :o
[18:20] <%Josheh> idgaf about new players
[18:21] <@His_Lordship> i also address that
[18:21] <@His_Lordship> and why you should care
[18:21] <%Josheh> srry
[18:21] <%Josheh> but you aren't an expert :/
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[18:22] <%Josheh> if you could get one of your friends addicted to runescape and then film a doco on them for the next 9 months, then I would really care about this "research"
[18:22] <%Josheh> I know I sound like a dick but you're just doing superficial interviews
[18:23] <%Josheh> brb
[18:25] <+Buzz> Gene, give me a shoutout in your vid? :)
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[18:26] <+frostydapker> whatsup fellas?
[18:26] <%Josheh> hey frostydapker
[18:26] <+Buzz> Just playing some xbox :P
[18:26] <%Josheh> just doing some slayer, you?
[18:31] <@His_Lordship> I address the lack of time investment too
[18:32] <@His_Lordship> 45 minute playthroughs are valid because that's enough time for a player to decide if they'll continue or not
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[18:32] <@His_Lordship> You don't need to chronicle someone for nine months. The point is not to get opinion on everything, but to see which game is instantly more attractive
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[18:33] <%Josheh> proof pls
[18:33] <%Josheh> of these claims
[18:34] <%Josheh> but to see which game is instantly more attractive
[18:35] <@His_Lordship> yeah, the video
[18:35] <@His_Lordship> what do you think i've been talking about?
[18:35] <Mami_Tomoei> mojohaza1 did u give traplordwill an interview?
[18:35] <%Josheh> proves without a doubt that osrs is better for new players
[18:35] <@His_Lordship> yes
[18:36] <%Josheh> thats ridiculous to say
[18:36] <@His_Lordship> what's the point in chronicling someone for nine months if they quit after 45 minutes
[18:36] <@His_Lordship> The first 45 minutes buys you the next 5 hours which buys you the next 2 weeks etc.
[18:36] <%Josheh> says who?
[18:37] <@His_Lordship> Says basic logic
[18:37] <%Josheh> no.
[18:37] <@His_Lordship> The most important thing is to keep them there for 45 minutes
[18:37] <@His_Lordship> If they have a bad first impression they will not continue on. There is no second chance for most people
[18:37] <@His_Lordship> This is the internet. You decide if you like a youtube video in the first 30 seconds usually
[18:37] <@His_Lordship> even if it's 20 minutes long
[18:38] <%Josheh> pls stop using generalisations without evidence
[18:38] <%Josheh> you opinion is not the general opinion
[18:38] <%Josheh> your*
[18:38] <@His_Lordship> and as a musician my openings are the most important parts to write. if i don't keep their attention at the start they can't latch on later
[18:39] <@His_Lordship> This doesn't need evidence. It's actually really simple. I don't have to find evidence for you that cows produce milk
[18:39] <@His_Lordship> If you think I'm wrong what do you think is the correct way of assessing the new player experience?
[18:39] <%Josheh> ...
[18:39] <@His_Lordship> Why should 9 months matter more?
[18:39] <%Josheh> I didnt say it does
[18:39] <%Josheh> I just said I'd be interested in that
[18:40] <@His_Lordship> (02:22:35) <%Josheh> if you could get one of your friends addicted to runescape and then film a doco on them for the next 9 months, then I would really care about this "research"
[18:40] <%Josheh> i would really care
[18:40] <@His_Lordship> Fair enough
[18:40] <@His_Lordship> So why is my research inadequate at 45 minutes?
[18:40] <%Josheh> you need to understand
[18:40] <%Josheh> for research to be confirmed it must be questioned
[18:41] <@His_Lordship> You've questioned it and I explained that 45 minutes is absolutely enough to go off
[18:41] <%Josheh> you cannot give results and say "you dont need to know how I got them or any factors related to it"
[18:41] <%Josheh> you did not explain that 45 minutes is enough to go off.
[18:41] <@His_Lordship> The new player experience won't happen 2 weeks down the line if the first 45 minutes suck
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[18:41] <@His_Lordship> Well you're questioning without even seeing my research
[18:41] <%Josheh> you said that "simple logic dictates this", you did no provide any proof of this. You provided your own person opinions.
[18:42] <%Josheh> Thats the whole point of research; to be questioned.
[18:42] <@His_Lordship> That's proven time and again in any time-based artform
[18:42] <%Josheh> ^ give me the proof then.......
[18:42] <@His_Lordship> If you're bored with the first 2 minutes of a 90-minute youtube video you won't continue
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[18:42] <%Josheh> legit all Im asking for is proof of your 45 minute statments.
[18:42] <@His_Lordship> I don't have to. It's just human nature
[18:42] <+Zemus> good bye
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[18:42] <@His_Lordship> It's like me having to prove that people laugh when something is funny
[18:42] <@His_Lordship> It's just how it is
[18:42] <%Josheh> dont say its human natures, thats a cop out, where is the proof its human nature?
[18:42] <%Josheh> o god
[18:43] <%Josheh> im glad you didn't pick a science degree l0l
[18:43] <%Josheh> "this drug works because I say it does
[18:43] <@His_Lordship> What you're saying then is that it is entirely possible that a person would continue playing after not enjoying the first 45 minutes
[18:43] <@His_Lordship> That's the possibility you're giving me
[18:43] <%Josheh> i did not say that
[18:43] <%Josheh> I said
[18:44] <@His_Lordship> Look, I have no science degree but I have done critical research units at university that count for something
[18:44] <%Josheh> "prove to me that people decide if they like something within 45 minutes, that 45 minutes becomes a 2 day investment, then a 2 week investmen"
[18:44] <@His_Lordship> Here are the two possibilities, and you can't really dispute this
[18:45] <@His_Lordship> First the possibility that a player will always decide to keep playing in 45 minutes. And the second possibility, that a player will NOT always decide in the first 45 minutes
[18:45] <@His_Lordship> I've asserted the first based on something I take to be such common knowledge
[18:46] <@His_Lordship> from my critical studies unit I am told that you don't need to cite what you consider to be common knowledge
[18:46] <@His_Lordship> So what you seem to be disputing is whether or not it is common knowledge
[18:46] <%Josheh> common knowledge does not equal truth and fact
[18:46] <@His_Lordship> And that is where we're disagreed. I'll think about it. But deep down I think you agree with me that the first 45 minutes matter more than any other point in determining a new player's continuation
[18:47] <@His_Lordship> I don't need to cite it because it is also common knowledge that first opinions are usually the strongest
[18:47] <@His_Lordship> I'm arguing it as common knowledge, not fact.
[18:47] <%Josheh> .......
[18:48] <@His_Lordship> If I said anywhere I'm stating it as fact I apologise, but I meant common knowledge
[18:48] <%Josheh> you are acting like common knowledge is fact though! wtf?!?
[18:48] <@His_Lordship> I don't need to argue logic in common knowledge
[18:48] <%Josheh> you do.
[18:48] <%Josheh> if you want to post research.
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[18:49] <%Josheh> the burden of proof is on your, not me.
[18:49] <%Josheh> you*
[18:49] <@His_Lordship> Nobody has scientifically proven that music distorts the normal flow of time
[18:49] <%Josheh> stop making assumptions please.
[18:49] <@His_Lordship> But every human on the planet knows it does
[18:49] <%Josheh> does every human on the planet?
[18:49] <@His_Lordship> The perception of the normal flow*
[18:49] <%Josheh> lets keep generalising :)
[18:49] <@His_Lordship> OK now you're being a dick to me
[18:50] <@His_Lordship> It's gone past objectivity
[18:50] * His_Lordship is now known as Lordy|AFK
[18:50] <+Flames> rip
[18:50] <%Josheh> no, you're trying to post research and then Im questioning your methods/research and you give me broad generalisations and give me "you should already know this" statements
[18:52] <%Josheh> We can continue this discussion on the thread you post.
[18:52] <@Lordy|AFK> Yes. I've read more journal articles than you. There are always things every researcher has to take for granted that a reader would know.
[18:52] <@Lordy|AFK> I read a feminism article recently about someone interviewing women on sexual assault
[18:52] <@Lordy|AFK> The researcher didn't prove they were women, she didn't even check
[18:53] <@Lordy|AFK> So go take your nitpicking bullshit and stuff it up your ass
[18:53] <%Josheh> "you question my results and concrete statements? fuck you!"
[18:54] <@Lordy|AFK> I argued logically and you replied immaturely
[18:54] <%Josheh> No i did not.
[18:54] <@Lordy|AFK> I take no issue with the fact you're being the devil's advocate, only that you're being really cunty about it with me
[18:54] <%Josheh> you ignored every thing I said, you kept saying broad statements and gave me fucking "logic" as proof of things? thats bullshit.
[18:55] <%Josheh> and now you're attacking me, when all I did was question the integrity of your research.
[18:55] <@Lordy|AFK> What you did is different to how you did it
[18:55] <@Lordy|AFK> I was prepared to have that debate but you were acting like a self-righteous littl prick
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[18:56] <%Josheh> wowe, doesn't even let me rebuttle.
[18:56] <Mami_Tomoei> L
[18:56] <@Mojohaza1> u prick Josheh
[18:56] <+Ms_Teatime> josh, i know u didnt get enough sleep but omg
[18:56] <+Ms_Teatime> thats allot to read
[18:56] <+Ms_Teatime> ;_;
[18:56] <@Mojohaza1> i tl;dr's it
[18:56] <@Mojohaza1> tl;dr's*
[18:57] <@Mojohaza1> tl;dr'd*
[18:57] <%Josheh> gtfo, if your research cannot handle fundamental questions about the quality of it then you should not be acting like your results are 100% truth not to be questioned.
[18:57] <%Josheh> and when i ask questions you give me anwers like "it is known"!
[18:58] <+Ms_Teatime> the truth is just a lie frabicated to make us think that its the truth lol im just joking :p u guys take rs way too serious :D
[18:58] <%Josheh> I never attacked him, i attacked his research, he couldnt handle that so he started attacking me :/
Mojo:
definitely tl;dr
Mami Tomoei:
can i get a tl;dr pls?
it looked interesting... but I want a TL;DR
Vio:
Brain underdeveloped, cannot process details of argument.
Wizard:
Was reading it as it happened :L